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Anybody know where I can a ceiling fan around the Zurich area? I guess I probably need a lighting store and we called around but haven't found a place that sells them.

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Obi, Co-op Bau and Hobby, Jumbo, Lumimart, Migros Do-it
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Old 23.06.2008, 15:19
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Are these chains? Are any around Sihl City? I'm off in that direction today. I also know where Spreitenbach is. I'm not even here a week.

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All chains, Migros do-it near Sihl city.
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Are these chains? Are any around Sihl City? I'm off in that direction today. I also know where Spreitenbach is. I'm not even here a week.

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Migros Do It + Garden, Brunaupark is just up the road from Sihl City. It's literally up the road to Uetliberg (Uetlibergstrasse), tram 13 direction Albisgüetli. Trouble is, I don't recall having seen ceiling fans there.
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Migros Do It + Garden, Brunaupark is just up the road from Sihl City. It's literally up the road to Uetliberg (Uetlibergstrasse), tram 13 direction Albisgüetli. Trouble is, I don't recall having seen ceiling fans there.
They had them last time I was there, but that was some time ago. Call them Fraueli.
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Old 23.06.2008, 15:42
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Will do and will get back to this thread with the details of what and where I find it.

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Re: Ceiling Fan

Do they take up alot of electricity if you have them on all the time?.
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Do they take up alot of electricity if you have them on all the time?.
Just interested.
No, about the same as a lightbulb whilst running (about 100w)
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Old 23.06.2008, 15:50
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Re: Ceiling Fan

I would give a kidney for a ceiling fan at the moment, but when I asked our hauswart about it he told me the cost of repairing the holes in the ceiling would be more than I could afford. He really is a nasty little man.
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Old 23.06.2008, 16:01
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Re: Ceiling Fan

Found a shop specializing in ceiling fans on Friesenbergstrasse 108:
http://www.anson.ch/deckenventilatoren.htm

Getting there:
Drive up Uetlibergstrasse from Sihl City till Strassenverkehrsamt, turn right where the overhead powerlines for bus 32 come out of Schweighofstrasse. Just keep following them as bus 32 follows Schweighofstr. and turns into Friesenbergstrasse to Goldbrunnenplatz.
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I would give a kidney for a ceiling fan at the moment, but when I asked our hauswart about it he told me the cost of repairing the holes in the ceiling would be more than I could afford. He really is a nasty little man.
Solution: Install the ceiling fan into an existing ceiling lamp hole, there's ceiling fans with integrated lights (see Anson above e.g.), I have a similar one on my balcony.

And that hauswart doesn't know what he's talking about. All it takes for a ceiling fan is a screw anchor which is one hole to be drilled (easily covered up with a dab of plaster).
What makes my fan a bit unesthetic is that the power line had to be externally attached to the ceiling, a problem avoided by using an existing lamp line.
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Old 24.06.2008, 09:04
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Re: Ceiling Fan

OK - here I am reporting back with the details of what I found yesterday:

First - yes, if you have overhead lighting you can just replace it with a fan model that has a light.

2nd - We went to Anson on Friesenbergstr 108 first because I thought it would be a showroom. It isn't. It's not recognizable from the street as a shop because it isn't a shop. There is a blue sign though in front of the building. The entryway is behind the house and there are a couple of products in there - 2 ceiling fans and assorted heaters (LOL the heaters are not what I wanted to see yesterday). There was a lovely woman in there who gave us a brochure and told us to call back today. The prices seemed on the high side going as high as almost SF 1200. You order through Anson, not sure how long it takes to get the fan if they have a warehouse elsewhere (I doubt it since they have a large selection in the brochure). If that's the case you can order something directly on the Internet and get expedited shipping.

Being driven by the heat, we went to the Migro Do-It at Brunau park. I found 2 different types of ceiling fans there. The first was the type with 3 spot lights. I took one like that because it took 3 50Watt bulbs and the spots can be arranged to shine on a desk for working - it's for my son's room (and for when he has to do homework). It was reasonably priced at SF95 - its for a smaller room because it is a small fan (hee hee yes I know, every room is smaller here!) - the diameter is cm104. The model name is Lupus

We took a larger one for our bedroom (seems like whats called the "Stealth" model in the US - more modern look) - model name: Pavo. Its larger - cm 130 something. The lighting is only 1 100 Watt bulb. These types usually provide "dingy" lighting in the room and aren't good if you need to do a lot of reading or desk work. It cost SF195.

Now I only have to wait for the handyman to come and do the electrical stuff. Thanks for the help with this. Its been an interesting first week here without AC, window screens and those pesky bugs flying in between the slats of the shutters. I've been teasing my Swiss husband that despite the standard of living here.....humidity is humidity even in Switzerland!

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OK - here I am reporting back with the details of what I found yesterday:

First - yes, if you have overhead lighting you can just replace it with a fan model that has a light.

2nd - We went to Anson on Friesenbergstr 108 first because I thought it would be a showroom. It isn't. It's not recognizable from the street as a shop because it isn't a shop. There is a blue sign though in front of the building. The entryway is behind the house and there are a couple of products in there - 2 ceiling fans and assorted heaters (LOL the heaters are not what I wanted to see yesterday). There was a lovely woman in there who gave us a brochure and told us to call back today. The prices seemed on the high side going as high as almost SF 1200. You order through Anson, not sure how long it takes to get the fan if they have a warehouse elsewhere (I doubt it since they have a large selection in the brochure). If that's the case you can order something directly on the Internet and get expedited shipping.
Oops, my bad. Looks like they're some sort of contractor then, updating older buildings/offices and factory floors.
Found some more at Conrad (Dietlikon, behind Mediamarkt) and the usual suspects on Ricardo and Piazza.
EDIT: Conrad link: click on "Deckenventilatoren" in the menu.

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Being driven by the heat, we went to the Migro Do-It at Brunau park. I found 2 different types of ceiling fans there. The first was the type with 3 spot lights. I took one like that because it took 3 50Watt bulbs and the spots can be arranged to shine on a desk for working - it's for my son's room (and for when he has to do homework). It was reasonably priced at SF95 - its for a smaller room because it is a small fan (hee hee yes I know, every room is smaller here!) - the diameter is cm104. The model name is Lupus

We took a larger one for our bedroom (seems like whats called the "Stealth" model in the US - more modern look) - model name: Pavo. Its larger - cm 130 something. The lighting is only 1 100 Watt bulb. These types usually provide "dingy" lighting in the room and aren't good if you need to do a lot of reading or desk work. It cost SF195.
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Now I only have to wait for the handyman to come and do the electrical stuff. Thanks for the help with this. Its been an interesting first week here without AC, window screens and those pesky bugs flying in between the slats of the shutters. I've been teasing my Swiss husband that despite the standard of living here.....humidity is humidity even in Switzerland!

Fraueli
AC: maybe one of these in each room?
EDIT: dang, Conrad's page is such a pain: put "855205 - 62" into the search field
UPDATE: Been to Conrad Dietlikon, they don't have the above mini-AC in stock in any of the stores as it's intended for mail order only.

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Re: Ceiling Fan

I've solved my heat problems too. Standing floor fans, 29.95 Mediamart. No need to have any work done on the ceiling and I truly hope they drive the old bat mad upstairs. Should have gone for ceiling ones really, but the problems with getting either husband or a handy man to fix them were too big. Floor fans it is.
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Its been an interesting first week here without AC, window screens and those pesky bugs flying in between the slats of the shutters. I've been teasing my Swiss husband that despite the standard of living here.....humidity is humidity even in Switzerland!

Fraueli
Well done on the fans. Sounds like you have become a very efficient shopper. Now your next mission, if you want to keep out the bugs, particularly at night, is to buy "Insektenschutz or Fliegengitter" - window mesh. It is sold in kits with an adhesive/velcro tape and you can install the stuff yourself. The two manufacturers are Windhager and Tesa and the stuff is sold at DIY shops.
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Re: Ceiling Fan

Thanks Fraueli for your great summary! You saved me a lot of time! I went to that Migros Do-It today and picked up two ceiling fans.

However, I'm a little confused. I've hung many ceiling fans in my life. But all in the US where there was a drywall ceiling and a junction box to mount the mounting brace to.

However, in my Swiss apartment the ceiling is not drywall. It's ... some sort of wooden planks - which judging by knocking on it, isn't super thick.

The instructions for the fan say to hang this using their wood screws and... the provided dry-wall anchors ??!! (as far as I know, dry wall anchors aren't terribly effective in wood - the wood screws themselves should be better). But I'm a bit hesitant to hang this over my bed and not do it right. I like, ya know, living.

Normally if I didn't have a junction box, and couldn't find beams, I would, at the very least, use steel butterfly nuts with long arms to distribute the load across several inches of the ceiling for each bolt. In this case, it's a different construction than I'm used to and I'd rather not make assumptions.

I can see that there were, previously, 4 holes in the ceiling that have since been patched and painted over. 2 of them are at the right width for the fan's mounting plate. The other two are much wider.

I have no idea how Swiss apartments are constructed, so I don't know what these ceiling planks are mounted to. Has anyone hung these to this type of ceiling before?

Finally - the three wires coming out of the ceiling are, blue, yellow, and green&yellow. The blue and yellow wires go into a connector and green&yellow is off by itself. Green&yellow is clearly ground. The connectors on the fan are labeled "L" "N" and (international symbol for ground). I believe blue is neutral and yellow is lead? I don't want to make any assumptions - the colors are different in the US.

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Re: Ceiling Fan

Hi jmzh,

I am so happy that the post helped you. I confess that I'm a better shopper than a worker. We had electricity in the ceiling for a light fixture, covered with a plate (as an aside in one of the other bedrooms we had bare wires that were uncapped which I know is definitely against code in the US) but we had a handyman install it for us (My DH is a love but the man can barely put a nail into the wall and not have it fall out!)

Wooden planks - I'm not sure about - are you living in a farmhouse with access to the attic? One time I had an alabaster stone chandelier hung and they had to mount a brace in the attic.

From what DH tells me the walls here are a lot thicker than the dry wall we have in the US (although another aside, I'm not sure how true this is - the handyman also hung some glass shelves over the sinks in the bathroom and the butterfly didn't grip which I thought was bizarre but it was an inside wall and not a structural wall so that may account for it).

Funny that you mention that they gave you dry wall screws. I bought some shelves from Italy when we were still in the US and they were sold supposedly to go into dry wall - when the guy came to hang them, they were only for stone - so we had to get US butterflys and "tap" them to fit the Euro butterflies - it did work.

I wish I offer you something more but our celings here are some kind of (I think cinder block or brick) covered by the stucco wall that is typical here.

I hope one of the other posters can offer you something. If not, can you go back to Migro and ask one of the salespersons?
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Re: Ceiling Fan

I'm in an apartment on the ground floor. To see what kind of ceiling I'm talking about, see here:

http://www.onewomanslife.com/home/20...-progress.html

That site shows them being installed over existing ceiling, but that's probably not the case in this apartment.

I decided to just give it a shot and try screwing the wood screws in and see what I found. After going through the planks (soft wood, easy to screw into) - about 3/4" in, I got to something much harder which I couldn't screw in by hand (at least not while standing on my toes on my bed), so I'll borrow a drill/screw-gun (I have one, but it's 110v) from someone at the office (or rent one), and screw it in. The screws are long and are actual wood screws, so if there's real wood planks behind the facade, then I'm fairly comfortable with that.

Unfortunately, that means I won't get lighting and cooling tonight... but ah well.

As for your ceilings - that's what my walls seem to be... something very hard, covered in stucco. That rules out thumbtacks to hang things. I was going to start a whole separate thread for that one. =)

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Ok, just an extra tip if I may - when you drill just make sure you have somebody to vacuum that stuff up as you drill. The hard stuff is probably
"backstein" (baked stone) which is brown and it is very tough to get out of white walls and all those little crevices in the stucco.

Think of those flowers that have the brown stuff that stains everything - even Swiss Windex called Potz etc. will be hard pressed to get that stuff out).

yeah and re thumbtacks - forget it - I'm a brad and wire nail girl myself - I hate big holes in the walls - for anything heavy here you have got to drill.

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