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Old 02.04.2017, 15:36
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I noticed a few more of these pesky beggars at the Baden train station. And even saw one walking through a restaurant, where we were having dinner, with a bunch of flowers to sell. I guess it will only be a matter of time before they start begging with their babies in tow!
Funny you call the guys selling roses in restaurants beggars. It has a long tradition here and I do remember having received a rose every now and then in the old days
Although it's kind of out of style now - it had it's moments then.
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Old 02.04.2017, 15:50
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Funny you call the guys selling roses in restaurants beggars. It has a long tradition here and I do remember having received a rose every now and then in the old days
Although it's kind of out of style now - it had it's moments then.
Agree on those "moments". The last time my dinner company wanted to buy me one of those roses in a restaurant, my purse was lifted from from my handbag while my romantic encounter searched for the right change.

After the event was over, and pleasantries sufficiently exchanged in thanks, on removing the plastic wrapping, the head of the rose fell-off.

As to women begging for money on Bahnhofstrasse with babies in their arms, I always take them to the nearest place to buy Pampers, and any other baby stuff they need. Have never been refused yet. The look in the women's eyes is always grateful as well. Don't take too long about it, 'cos they need to get back to raking in the cash to hand over to their "bosses" when they get home.
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Old 02.04.2017, 16:04
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Agree on those "moments". The last time my dinner company wanted to buy me one of those roses in a restaurant, my purse was lifted from from my handbag while my romantic encounter searched for the right change.

After the event was over, and pleasantries sufficiently exchanged in thanks, on removing the plastic wrapping, the head of the rose fell-off.
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Old 02.04.2017, 16:07
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I say "No" because I already "donate" enough by taxes. They're all doing this voluntarily. If they've an addiction, the state has programs (Methadone, for example) to help, plus they can just hit their "Sozialamt" (last official place they were living - or if they even don't know that, just the local police station) and basically get a temporary home paid by the state till their situation is sorted out.

Of course that would take away some of their "liberties" (even though, compared to what people on social benefits get for a treatment in any other countries, the Swiss standard is incredibly high)

Now.. that's for Swiss (or people that otherwise hold something like a C permit, or "refuge status") - some beggars from other countries like Romania (or non EU-countries without a condition that would prevent sending them back) obviously wouldn't get all the benefits, but being told to get back to their country (voluntary, if staying legally here, involuntary, if staying illegal)

When the local law (different from city to city in Switzerland) doesn't forbid begging, anyone can do it. If the law forbids it, it should be enforced.
OMG You said the R word.

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Old 02.04.2017, 16:47
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Funny you call the guys selling roses in restaurants beggars. It has a long tradition here and I do remember having received a rose every now and then in the old days
Although it's kind of out of style now - it had it's moments then.
I did not know it was a tradition here! I personally don't like that restaurants are treated as pop-up flower shops!
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Old 02.04.2017, 19:43
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelho

It never ceases to amaze me how naive people are to fall for these very old and very obvious tricks. If someone randomly comes up to you and asks if you can buy their ticket and they do not look visibly distressed then it's pretty clear that they are not in need, and giving anything to them is not some fuzzy warm act of kindness, it is just daft. Think about it, why would someone not be able to afford a ticket home? How did they get there in the first place?

I realise Swiss culture is to a degree naive and innocent vs many other EU countries and it's also something that in some ways I like about the country, but still, people should have some basic common sense and not turn this place into a scammers paradise.

If anyone I don't know asks me for money I either ignore them, or give them a look and a word that makes them move on quickly to the next person. The only people I give money to freely are street musicians and performers whose work I appreciate, or occasionally a street charity person whose goals I approve of.

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Old 03.04.2017, 00:51
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I realise Swiss culture is to a degree naive and innocent vs many other EU countries and it's also something that in some ways I like about the country, but still, people should have some basic common sense and not turn this place into a scammers paradise.
Not just Switzerland...I was sitting waiting for a bus in Västeras, Sweden, and I was asked if I could buy someone a ticket to Uppsala (with the mandatory sob story). I declined on the grounds that I only had enough Swedish cash to last until I was at the airport.
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Old 03.04.2017, 07:38
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelhofen

How to recognize a scammer on "Bahnhofstrasse guide" ...

If he/she is in distress and gets on that train upon buying a ticket, then they are genuine.

If his/her story doesn't stick together and they make 10chuffs an hour from gullible people, then one needs a reality check.
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Old 03.04.2017, 12:14
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Agree on those "moments". The last time my dinner company wanted to buy me one of those roses in a restaurant, my purse was lifted from from my handbag while my romantic encounter searched for the right change.

After the event was over, and pleasantries sufficiently exchanged in thanks, on removing the plastic wrapping, the head of the rose fell-off.
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Old 03.04.2017, 12:40
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Not just Switzerland...I was sitting waiting for a bus in Västeras, Sweden, and I was asked if I could buy someone a ticket to Uppsala (with the mandatory sob story). I declined on the grounds that I only had enough Swedish cash to last until I was at the airport.
I never even engage in any needless justification for declining their request, a simple "No" is all that's needed and is something they can't stand there any argue or debate with.
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Old 04.04.2017, 16:34
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelhofen

Last evening on way home from a concert at Tonhalle, my son and a friend were approached in Kiosk by Stadelhofen, bitte zwei fr bitte zwei fr. He is as cold hearted (read sensible) as I am and didn't give them anything. The woman working on the till in the Kiosk gave the beggars €20...(son thought perhaps as way to make sure he and friend not followed on way out which is kind, but won't stop the problem)
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Old 15.12.2017, 16:40
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelhofen

I was buying a ticket at the Zurich HB this morning, a guy at the next machine started swearing in English then told me his machine had swallowed 2 francs and now he didn't have enough money for his ticket.

I just looked him in the eye and said "man, you told me the same story 2 weeks ago" He hadn't, but by the look on his face and the way he slinked off he knew it must have been possible and I was on to him!
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Old 15.12.2017, 16:45
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I was buying a ticket at the Zurich HB this morning, a guy at the next machine started swearing in English then told me his machine had swallowed 2 francs and now he didn't have enough money for his ticket.

I just looked him in the eye and said "man, you told me the same story 2 weeks ago" He hadn't, but by the look on his face and the way he slinked off he knew it must have been possible and I was on to him!
and I had to walk home that day too
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelhofen

You risk getting stung twice with this kind of thing. Once when you give to a scammer and again because you've shown anyone that may be interested where you keep your money.
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Old 16.12.2017, 00:39
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelhofen

What is it with 2 francs? A few months ago a guy saw me putting some money into my wallet, as I got change after purchasing my train ticket, and asked if I have 2 francs. I couldn't say no and I just handed them to him.... He looked stoned or high or whatever, I didn't want to mess with him. But really, 2 francs. He could have asked if I had 10, it was obvious I had even more since he probably saw it . Funny. (but no, I wouldn't have been that "generous" even if I was kind of scared)
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Old 16.12.2017, 09:42
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelhofen

The festive season is around the corner so scammers are being very active right now ... anything from internet scams to cash scams on the streets.
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Old 16.12.2017, 16:28
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelhofen

Yeah, went shopping down the BahnhofRIPstrasse, spent 500 chf and only had one item to show for it.
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Old 16.12.2017, 17:10
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I was buying a ticket at the Zurich HB this morning, a guy at the next machine started swearing in English then told me his machine had swallowed 2 francs and now he didn't have enough money for his ticket.

I just looked him in the eye and said "man, you told me the same story 2 weeks ago" He hadn't, but by the look on his face and the way he slinked off he knew it must have been possible and I was on to him!
Careful. While you're talking to him for those few seconds, another is stealing your wallet.
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Old 16.12.2017, 20:19
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Careful. While you're talking to him for those few seconds, another is stealing your wallet.
Not from me he wasn't. A Yorkshireman and his wallet are rarely separated.
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Not from me he wasn't. A Yorkshireman and his wallet are rarely separated.
Just on the same / similar topic, nothing new to anyone I'm sure but:

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...e-auf-22493068
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