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Old 01.04.2017, 16:05
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Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelhofen

This probably can be applied to all of Zurich as well. A man approached me and asked me to pay his train. I said no. He moved onto another guy who said yes. When they entered in the destination the guy buying the ticket was suprised at the total, but begrudgingly went ahead and bought it anyways. The scammer then went to pretend to look at a train schedule sign, the ran downstairs.

Since I was curious...I went downstairs, and sure enough he was asking another guy to buy him a train ticket, so I stepped and warned the other guy, from behind.

If you are curious about the tickets, you can get a full or partial refund if you return a ticket fast enough from a train you clearly couldn't have taken yet. So, he went next to the office for the refund.

So people can give money to strangers if they want, but be warned about this scam.
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Old 01.04.2017, 17:07
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelho

Thanks for the heads up.

Just out of curiousity, why didn't you inform the SBB desk of this scammer?
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Old 01.04.2017, 17:17
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Thanks for the heads up.

Just out of curiousity, why didn't you inform the SBB desk of this scammer?
I will on my way back. I had to catch my train I was waiting for as there was an appointment I couldn't miss.
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Old 01.04.2017, 18:04
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelho

I forgot to mention the total was 40 CHF, hence the begrudgingly part.
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Old 01.04.2017, 18:28
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelho

So they said there is nothing they can do about it. However, if you pay with a credit card, they ask the scammer to produce the same card for the refund. If they don't have it, they don't get it. That's the update.
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Two guys in their 20s approached me just off Paradeplatz at the Tram 11 stop earlier in the week first asking me if I spoke Spanish, then English. They told me they had a "big problem" that they didn't have any money and would I give them CHF 40 to buy their lunch.

First I asked them if they had been robbed but they were completely evasive, not giving a straight answer then repeated this "big problem" and that they needed CHF 40.

I just told them I didn't have any money, which was a bit lame but I can never think of anything devastatingly witty on the spur of the moment...

Anyway, they buggered off, presumably to pester some other poor sod for their lunch money.

I've heard too many of these "can I borrow money" stories in the last few years, most of them seem to ill intent.
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelho

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Similar thing in Wallisellen train station the other week.

One guy wanted money for a train ticket to Geneva.
I said his family or Embassy are the place to turn to when you are stuck in a foreign country with no money.
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Old 01.04.2017, 19:00
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelho

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Two guys in their 20s approached me just off Paradeplatz at the Tram 11 stop earlier in the week first asking me if I spoke Spanish, then English. They told me they had a "big problem" that they didn't have any money and would I give them CHF 40 to buy their lunch.

First I asked them if they had been robbed but they were completely evasive, not giving a straight answer then repeated this "big problem" and that they needed CHF 40.

I just told them I didn't have any money, which was a bit lame but I can never think of anything devastatingly witty on the spur of the moment...

Anyway, they buggered off, presumably to pester some other poor sod for their lunch money.

I've heard too many of these "can I borrow money" stories in the last few years, most of them seem to ill intent.
Yep - I get pestered more often than not at Limmatplatz. I'd say 2 out of every 5 days of the working week, and this is between 6 and 7 in the morning.

The first couple of times, a few years ago now, I helped out, but then observed them doing it to other people just after I'd handed money over.

The upshot of that is that I never hand out money to anybody who asks anymore. There are exceptions, but I'm not going to explain how I decide on them.
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So they said there is nothing they can do about it. However, if you pay with a credit card, they ask the scammer to produce the same card for the refund. If they don't have it, they don't get it. That's the update.
So maybe it's a scam from SBB, because they are the ones who benefit!
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Old 01.04.2017, 20:58
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelho

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Two guys in their 20s approached me just off Paradeplatz at the Tram 11 stop earlier in the week first asking me if I spoke Spanish, then English. They told me they had a "big problem" that they didn't have any money and would I give them CHF 40 to buy their lunch.

First I asked them if they had been robbed but they were completely evasive, not giving a straight answer then repeated this "big problem" and that they needed CHF 40.

I just told them I didn't have any money, which was a bit lame but I can never think of anything devastatingly witty on the spur of the moment...

Anyway, they buggered off, presumably to pester some other poor sod for their lunch money.

I've heard too many of these "can I borrow money" stories in the last few years, most of them seem to ill intent.
Agree that these types of approaches have increased during travelling trams which cross over Paradeplatz and Hauptbahnhof, Zurich. Last time I had these distractions, my purse was stolen out of my handbag.
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Old 01.04.2017, 21:08
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelho

The begging in Geneva is widespread. From those sitting silently with a hand out-stretched to the musicians to the guy who comes on the tram and does a full 5 minute speech, theatrically delivered about how he has found himself without shelter, temporarily.

I have a one rule fits all approach, NO.. Whilst there maybe somebody who is genuinely down on their luck, i just don't buy it, most are professional beggars who probably have more disposable income than me.
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Old 02.04.2017, 08:28
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What's the lesson from all these posts? Move to Zug!
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The begging in Geneva is widespread. From those sitting silently with a hand out-stretched to the musicians to the guy who comes on the tram and does a full 5 minute speech, theatrically delivered about how he has found himself without shelter, temporarily.

I have a one rule fits all approach, NO.. Whilst there maybe somebody who is genuinely down on their luck, i just don't buy it, most are professional beggars who probably have more disposable income than me.
In Zurich there used to be some truly talented musicians on the trams that would often play for a number of stops. I used to chuck in some money when they came round with the pot because I was genuinely entertained.

This is in contrast, of course, to those that would get on at one stop, squeeze the life out of a knackered accordion with accompanied wailing for 30 seconds then walk round the tram with a battered yoghurt pot collecting donations, finally getting off the tram at the next stop.

Now they seem to have put a stop to it which is a shame and a small mercy in equal measure.
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Old 02.04.2017, 10:35
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelho

As I drive the car, I don't often get asked for any money. There are situations over the weekend though that I'm asked for few franks by total stranger. Then it depends on my guts feeling whether the guy is genuine or scammer. No rule for me here because you cannot tell for sure as you don't really know these people and their lives. Tough times ahead and lots of peeps in need as we know it. But it also maybe a rise of the scamming oppprtunists. So keep it in mind!
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelho

I noticed a few more of these pesky beggars at the Baden train station. And even saw one walking through a restaurant, where we were having dinner, with a bunch of flowers to sell. I guess it will only be a matter of time before they start begging with their babies in tow!
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelho

I'm all for helping-out people in need. Have been spotted for doing it.

Fact is - the Zürich social establishments cover all persons who've opted-out of assisted care. Some persons just don't want to change their lifestyle e.g. living on park benches with the wonderful view of the lake, and we need to respect that.

Personally, am asked for Münz almost every-time that I travel the Zürich Hauptbahnhof / Paradeplatz route, and then wait awhile for the tram taking me to other areas (where I'm only scared of my job being out-sourced to India).

I say "No", because I know that it will support their addiction to heroin, crack cocaine, inherited psychological conditions whatever etc. I don't support that, and know that help is available in Switzerland.
Homeless people here also have a choice - if they don't want it, they still continue to contribute to a wonderful picture of Zürich (if you're up that early), which I couldn't live without. There are a few, and they are fascinating.
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Old 02.04.2017, 13:22
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelho

I say no because of my experience whilst working in Manchester, and I know I shouldn't translate that across to Switzerland. I used to regularly get the train home with a group of 'beggars' who went into the train toilet and got changed back into their civvies. One of the regulars had very expensive hiking boots, expensive jeans and jackets that I couldn't afford myself.
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelho

Was on bahnhofstrasse waiting for a tram, saw a begger asking people for money and was suprised each of them gave him something without hesitating (I think theey were Swiss), one of the ladies even took out her wallet even before she was approached in anticipation, in less than 2mins he had collected money from 3-4people, probably not a bad hourly rate he makes.
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...Personally, am asked for Münz almost every-time that I travel the Zürich Hauptbahnhof / Paradeplatz route, and then wait awhile for the tram taking me to other areas...
I also get asked a lot while waiting for trams at Bern's main station, and I also always say no. It's often the same guy, and I get the impression he's well known because the tram drivers wave at him.
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Re: Scammers in Bahnhof Stadelho

I say "No" because I already "donate" enough by taxes. They're all doing this voluntarily. If they've an addiction, the state has programs (Methadone, for example) to help, plus they can just hit their "Sozialamt" (last official place they were living - or if they even don't know that, just the local police station) and basically get a temporary home paid by the state till their situation is sorted out.

Of course that would take away some of their "liberties" (even though, compared to what people on social benefits get for a treatment in any other countries, the Swiss standard is incredibly high)

Now.. that's for Swiss (or people that otherwise hold something like a C permit, or "refuge status") - some beggars from other countries like Romania (or non EU-countries without a condition that would prevent sending them back) obviously wouldn't get all the benefits, but being told to get back to their country (voluntary, if staying legally here, involuntary, if staying illegal)

When the local law (different from city to city in Switzerland) doesn't forbid begging, anyone can do it. If the law forbids it, it should be enforced.
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