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Laser Tag Toys - Legal in Switzerland?

My 10 year old son is asking about one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Laser-88016-T...ywords=laser+x

Being concerned about the legality of such things, I Googled around thec subject - this is representative of the Google results:

http://www.police.be.ch/police/de/in...ten/laser.html

Probably these toys are far below the prohibited wattage, but not sure.

I've also been searching toy sales websites (Galaxus et al) and don't see these toys being sold, which makes me doubt whether they are allowed in Switzerland.

Any opinions from the EF armchair panel of legal experts?

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My 10 year old son is asking about one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Laser-88016-T...ywords=laser+x

Being concerned about the legality of such things, I Googled around thec subject - this is representative of the Google results:

http://www.police.be.ch/police/de/in...ten/laser.html

Probably these toys are far below the prohibited wattage, but not sure.

I've also been searching toy sales websites (Galaxus et al) and don't see these toys being sold, which makes me doubt whether they are allowed in Switzerland.

Any opinions from the EF armchair panel of legal experts?

Cheers,
Nick
No idea about the legality of the things, and won't go into the ethics of such toys... But Amazon France has them, including the exact one you've linked to;
https://www.amazon.fr/LASER-Two-Play...=Laser+tag+toy

The delivery info says that the article can be delivered to Switzerland for free... although that might change if you try to actually place an order.

NB; if you have an account with Amazon then you should be able to log into Amazon France using the same details as your usual site.
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Re: Laser Tag Toys - Legal in Switzerland?

According to wikipedia no actual laser is involved due to safety concerns (and is not really required).
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According to wikipedia no actual laser is involved due to safety concerns (and is not really required).
Then how do you aim with them if they don't have a concentrated beam?

As far as i know these things are Class I and operate around 0,05mW making them so low on power that they are completely safe, even if you want to look into them for hours.
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Re: Laser Tag Toys - Legal in Switzerland?

Even the box reads "infrared" so there is no actual laser involved... it is like staring at your TV remote control...

... also the "laser" pistols do not look like real weapons so you do not run afoul of the weapons law (https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi.../index.html#a4)

Finally, there are laser tag arenas all over Switzerland (http://www.lasertag-basel.ch/de/home).
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Even the box reads "infrared" so there is no actual laser involved... it is like staring at your TV remote control...
No it is not like staring at your TV remote, these "guns" work with infrared by using a infrared laser-diode your telly remote uses a infrared diode.

These guns are technically the same as all of those IR laserpointers however they are much weaker.
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Re: Laser Tag Toys - Legal in Switzerland?

Possibly high-end/military-spec laser tag systems actually use lasers. However, I would hazard that most sets for children will not contain any laser (albeit class 1 lasers would be permitted, https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...tml#app2ahref5, SN EN 60825-1: 2007).

By way of example:
"A laser tag gun “shoots” an infra-red (IR) beam of light which is received by the opponents’ sensors. Infra-red is a color of light just beyond red, so it’s not visible to the human eye. A laser tag gun can be compared to an LED flashlight, but instead uses invisible IR light. Like a flashlight, the IR needs to be focused into a tight beam of light to fire long distances. That is done with the lens. Unlike a flashlight, the beam of IR light is pulsed on and off in such a way as to contain data. This data includes which gun is firing, what team you are on, etc." http://steradianlasertag.herokuapp.c...User+Guide.pdf
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Possibly high-end/military-spec laser tag systems actually use lasers. However, I would hazard that most sets for children will not contain any laser (albeit class 1 lasers would be permitted, https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...tml#app2ahref5, SN EN 60825-1: 2007).

By way of example:
"A laser tag gun “shoots” an infra-red (IR) beam of light which is received by the opponents’ sensors. Infra-red is a color of light just beyond red, so it’s not visible to the human eye. A laser tag gun can be compared to an LED flashlight, but instead uses invisible IR light. Like a flashlight, the IR needs to be focused into a tight beam of light to fire long distances. That is done with the lens. Unlike a flashlight, the beam of IR light is pulsed on and off in such a way as to contain data. This data includes which gun is firing, what team you are on, etc." http://steradianlasertag.herokuapp.c...User+Guide.pdf
None of these sorts of guns actually use a laser (except maybe as a visible addition) - it would be virtually impossible to hit the tiny sensor, a bit like using a rifle to shoot clay pigeons.

If you ever do laser quest and someone gets a gun with an out-of-focus lens it becomes very obvious, they end up with a blunderbuss that blasts everything in front of them.
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