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Hi all, I was just think how nice it would be to get a boat and have it parked on a lake here in Switzerland and use it for weekend getaways. Just have a fe questions though...

- Whats the average yearly dock rental fee here in Switzerland?
- Whats the average yearly insurance premium for a 30ft boat?
- Would it be possible to anchor over-night on the weekends in the lake next to e.g Luzern ? Or are there strict rules about anchoring in non designated mooring / dock areas ?



Thanks for any possible help.

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Re: Boating question

private docks are about 600-1000 / month or more. many towns have their own docks which are much cheaper usually but can have waiting lists 10 years or more. i was lucky to get the last unused spot in my small comune's dock. I pay about 2000 / year for it including power / water.

insurance - going to depend on value.

you can't anchor in most of these lakes. too deep.

anything over 8hp needs a licence.

always going to be cheaper to rent a boat.
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And you need the licenses.
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Re: Boating question

As a general rule of thumb, the yearly running cost of the boat will be about 10% of the price of the new boat. This includes the winter servicing and storage.

I am not aware of overnight anchoring rules, and some friends have definitely spent the night out on the lake. One guy even spent a whole week on his boat. I guess if there is no no parking sign, or you are not close to swimming areas (yellow buoys) then you can dock/anchor.
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you can't anchor in most of these lakes. too deep
You can definitely anchor in Zurisee around the islands at the east end, there's loads of shallow water; although even with a lot of space, there are hundreds of boats there at the weekend.

Have you considered Bodensee? If you're in Winterthur, it's closer, I'd imagine it's cheaper, and it's a lot bigger.
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You can definitely anchor in Zurisee around the islands at the east end, there's loads of shallow water; although even with a lot of space, there are hundreds of boats there at the weekend.

Have you considered Bodensee? If you're in Winterthur, it's closer, I'd imagine it's cheaper, and it's a lot bigger.
And a lot more burocratic and you need a special money spinning Bodenseeschifferpatent before you even get wet.
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And a lot more burocratic and you need a special money spinning Bodenseeschifferpatent before you even get wet.
As a mooring 150m off shore in Malta costs 200 euro for the summer, water is 30 degrees right now, why bother in a Swiss lake Fancy a beer ?
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And a lot more burocratic and you need a special money spinning Bodenseeschifferpatent before you even get wet.
Is that new? When I took my Swiss licenses, there were some additional questions on the written test and then I got Bodensee (and also rhine above rhine fall) included in both motorboat and sailboat license.
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always going to be cheaper to rent a boat.

Hell, we find it cheaper to rent a car than to own one. I can't imagine the economic factors of the cost of owning vs renting a boat
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Hell, we find it cheaper to rent a car than to own one. I can't imagine the economic factors of the cost of owning vs renting a boat
However much rental is it's likely to be cheaper. You can assume 10% of new cost as general expenditure & about the same as depreciation. If you use the boat 20 times a year thats 1% of it's new cost per time.

I have an old speed boat in Malta, it works out about 100 euros per time it's used, or 50 euros an hour with the engine running. The boat is 30 years old & cost 2500 euros. A newer boat would cost way more per hour.

I can rent a car in the UK for less than £10 a day, Insurance per day for my wife car exceeds £30 for a non UK resident to drive.
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Re: Boating question

As others have mentioned, mooring fees are very variable. The cheapest are moorings and hardstanding spaces operated by local communities - however, they are in exceedingly short supply, with waiting lists of anything up to 20 years.

Insurance costs: again, how long is a piece of string? How old is the boat? What size? Where is it kept? And so on... Having said that, I have found specialist insurers (such as Pantaenius, Yachtline etc.) to be much better value than local non-specialists. For instance, to insure our dinghies for "bareboat charter" with Pantaenius cost just 25% of what Zurich Insurance wanted.

In principle, you can anchor anywhere you like/can (depending on how much rope/chain you have and how much scope you want) EXCEPT near harbour entrances, ferry docks or marine plants (you must maintain a minimum distance of 25m from the latter taking account of your swinging circle).

Another quirk to note is that power-driven vessels have a speed limit of 10 km/h within the inner and outer "Uferzonen" (lakeside areas); within the inner zone (150 m from shore) you are required to take the "shortest" route out of it i.e. at 90° to the shore, in the outer zone you can travel in any direction providing you adhere to the speed limit. Vessels under sail are not bound by this regulation, but don't forget that a yacht with an engine becomes a power-driven vessel as soon as you switch the engine on.
(Here is a summary in German of the main regulations:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verord...Gew%C3%A4ssern)

You should also note that you will almost certainly need to take the Swiss qualification (D-Schein for sail, A-Schein for motor) in order to operate a boat as skipper or unsupervised, and that will apply to both ownership and rentals. If you don't hold the relevant ticket, you will need someone on board who does to "supervise" you. This assumes that you don't hold a French, German, Italian or Austrian qualification (which you could swap for a Swiss one)

I hope this helps!
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Re: Boating question

The market decides.

There are very few problems in this world that can't be solved by slipping a monkey to the maître d'.
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As a mooring 150m off shore in Malta costs 200 euro for the summer, water is 30 degrees right now, why bother in a Swiss lake Fancy a beer ?
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Re: Boating question

The very best days of owning a boat, is the day you buy it and the day you sell it. All the other days cost you money
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Re: Boating question

There is also boatsharing in Switzerland, like mobility for cars. One example for sailboats could be sailcom. Not sure, how it compares to renting, though.
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Or, owning a boat is like standing under a shower and ripping up £20 notes
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private docks are about 600-1000 / month or more. many towns have their own docks which are much cheaper usually but can have waiting lists 10 years or more. i was lucky to get the last unused spot in my small comune's dock. I pay about 2000 / year for it including power / water.

insurance - going to depend on value.

you can't anchor in most of these lakes. too deep.

anything over 8hp needs a licence.

always going to be cheaper to rent a boat.

Hey thanks for the reply. Nice! great catch! 2000 per year...
Cheers!
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Old 28.08.2017, 00:17
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You can definitely anchor in Zurisee around the islands at the east end, there's loads of shallow water; although even with a lot of space, there are hundreds of boats there at the weekend.

Have you considered Bodensee? If you're in Winterthur, it's closer, I'd imagine it's cheaper, and it's a lot bigger.
Hey, Bodensee would be an option as well. I was looking more at the lakes next to lucern! Which are absolutely beautiful & translucent. It would also be a great weekend getaway.

Cheers!
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As others have mentioned, mooring fees are very variable. The cheapest are moorings and hardstanding spaces operated by local communities - however, they are in exceedingly short supply, with waiting lists of anything up to 20 years.

Insurance costs: again, how long is a piece of string? How old is the boat? What size? Where is it kept? And so on... Having said that, I have found specialist insurers (such as Pantaenius, Yachtline etc.) to be much better value than local non-specialists. For instance, to insure our dinghies for "bareboat charter" with Pantaenius cost just 25% of what Zurich Insurance wanted.

In principle, you can anchor anywhere you like/can (depending on how much rope/chain you have and how much scope you want) EXCEPT near harbour entrances, ferry docks or marine plants (you must maintain a minimum distance of 25m from the latter taking account of your swinging circle).

Another quirk to note is that power-driven vessels have a speed limit of 10 km/h within the inner and outer "Uferzonen" (lakeside areas); within the inner zone (150 m from shore) you are required to take the "shortest" route out of it i.e. at 90° to the shore, in the outer zone you can travel in any direction providing you adhere to the speed limit. Vessels under sail are not bound by this regulation, but don't forget that a yacht with an engine becomes a power-driven vessel as soon as you switch the engine on.
(Here is a summary in German of the main regulations:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verord...Gew%C3%A4ssern)

You should also note that you will almost certainly need to take the Swiss qualification (D-Schein for sail, A-Schein for motor) in order to operate a boat as skipper or unsupervised, and that will apply to both ownership and rentals. If you don't hold the relevant ticket, you will need someone on board who does to "supervise" you. This assumes that you don't hold a French, German, Italian or Austrian qualification (which you could swap for a Swiss one)

I hope this helps!


Hey eng_ch, Thank for the info. Just what I needed. Greatly appreciated. Looks like if this goes through I will have to get the licenses ( Probably not cheap either) .
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