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Old 22.05.2018, 09:48
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What to do with live ammunition?

A question;
while on a dive over the weekend, we found some ammunition.

I believe it's military issue (markings are T 7 5 47). What's odd is that the tips appear to be rusted, which I wouldn't expect from lead. Does anyone have information on Swiss bullet markings? I did some looking, but couldn't identify concretely... Would guess a 7.5 from 1947? Is T tracer also here?

In Italy, I would bring this to the police, who would clean it out, epoxy it and return it (they've done this for some WW2 air-dropped things I found as a kid). Is there a similar service in Switzerland?

(before anyone freaks - it's currently sat in a jar of water to stop it drying out).

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Re: What to do with live ammunition?

My guess is do the same - take it to the police.
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Old 22.05.2018, 10:55
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Re: What to do with live ammunition?

Rule one: Do not touch it.
Rule two: Mark it.
Rule three: Report it to 033 223 57 27 or the police which can be reached on 117.

For more information see Swiss Army Unexploded Ordnance Centre:
https://www.vtg.admin.ch/en/service/...er-melden.html

There is also an app for that.
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Old 22.05.2018, 11:17
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Re: What to do with live ammunition?

Try dropping it from a height to see if it will detonate.
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Old 22.05.2018, 11:44
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Re: What to do with live ammunition?

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What's odd is that the tips appear to be rusted, which I wouldn't expect from lead.
Only the bullet's core is lead, the coating(word?) is probably iron or steel. See here for a description of the Swiss army ammo that was in use until 1994 (for almost a century).
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(before anyone freaks - it's currently sat in a jar of water to stop it drying out).
This may result in the exact opposite of what you intend.

The cartridge is designed to keep the explosive dry. As long as the sealing is intact it most probably is.

Keeping the cartridge in a jar full of water may be quite dangerous, especially if it's made of glass or ceramics (you don't tell). If the round goes off, a glass jar is likely to break into a gazillion pieces that will fly in all directions like shrapnel. Whether they're fast enough to cause serious harm is anybody's guess but I wouldn't want to be in the room just to find out.
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Old 22.05.2018, 11:52
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Re: What to do with live ammunition?

Any red, green or blue markings?
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Old 22.05.2018, 11:57
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Any red, green or blue markings?
Too rusty (the head) and muddy (the casing) to tell...

My guess is it's one of these: GP11 Stahlkern (steel core), which explains the rusty tip...

T = Munitionsfabrik Thun, Thun, Switzerland
5 = May (or maybe the 7 is July?)
47 = 1947
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Rule one: Do not touch it.
Rule two: Mark it.
Rule three: Report it to 033 223 57 27 or the police which can be reached on 117.

For more information see Swiss Army Unexploded Ordnance Centre:
https://www.vtg.admin.ch/en/service/...er-melden.html

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It’s a bullet not the MOAB.
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Old 24.05.2018, 15:29
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It’s a bullet not the MOAB.
So I called the number... that was fun. They don't speak English, Italian or French.

Between my broken German, and his broken French, I was told that if it's only one bullet, I can bring it to the nearest police station at my convenience.

If I find a box of ammo, or something bigger, to tell them where it is and they'll pick it up. Will drop it off tonight (and go back to the same place next week to see if I can find the rest of the case )

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Re: What to do with live ammunition?

If finding that you had one in possession by mistake(single lose round found whilst unpacking from relocation), When taking a single live round to the police, is this a no questions asked sort of situation?

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Old 24.05.2018, 16:44
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Re: What to do with live ammunition?

How many rounds do you have?

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Re: What to do with live ammunition?

In this scenario, lets say 1, .223 round
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Old 24.05.2018, 17:06
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Re: What to do with live ammunition?

Use it to make a zip gun.



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Re: What to do with live ammunition?

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Old 24.05.2018, 17:48
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Re: What to do with live ammunition?

YMMV, but this is what happened in my case:

Turned up at the police station at 16:45 - it was closed. I note a policeman in uniform and vest walking out, so approach him.

I tell him I found an old bullet, called the unexploded ordnance number and they said to bring it to the station.

He takes a step back... no joke, and asks me to show him (I had it in a small right orange peli case as didn't want to walk around with it in my hand).

I open the case, and he goes "oh, only that?" waving his hand dismissively. He takes it, puts it in his vest pocket, and walks back into the station closing the door behind him.

End of story.
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Re: What to do with live ammunition?

The world pays with ingratitude
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Old 24.05.2018, 20:02
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Re: What to do with live ammunition?

This has been lying around the house for years:



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This has been lying around the house for years:



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You've got to like the way its placed across an image of a pig. Trust Tom to ask a. How many rounds, like he was hoping to get some ammo donated. b. to instruct the forum on how to assemble a homemade firearm Not sure you would hit a pig from a hundred yards with that.
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Old 24.05.2018, 21:50
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You've got to like the way its placed across an image of a pig.
My dinner placemat, actually.

We don't do paper here!

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My dinner placemat, actually.

We don't do paper here!

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I believe that's called pure class
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