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Old 29.05.2018, 16:59
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My entire life we boycottet Nestlé again and again (and always for v.e.r.y good reasons), they never changed their ways. Not saying you shouldn't now. You will be very surprised how many products in fact are from Nestlé.
I think that you will find that this is a very bad statement
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Old 29.05.2018, 17:09
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You decided to misquote me .......
not at all, it was kinda a joke, but based on reality, all new CEO's are given targets / goals and their bonus's / remuneration are based on meeting these goals. Its a sad fact of life when you give people targets, especially when you link the targets to pay, then people will do just about anything to meet their targets and screw everything and everyone else, I've seen it over and over and over again just about everywhere I've ever worked.

You can multiply this effect by about 1000 when the new CEO has no former connection to the company. Target - cut costs, this always means cut staff, generally cost center staff, hey, IT are paid a lot, cut them, off shore, near shore etc etc, close expensive sites, stop infrastructure projects and upgrades etc etc

All of which is short sighted in the extreme, its time all companies woke up to the fact they are IT companies, that just so happen to sell food (or whatever) without IT they wouldn't even be able to make / receive a phone call or even get into the building let alone type into their cost benefit xls sheet to decide who stays and goes.

Then at the end of the year senior managers can all pat themselves on the back for increasing ebita while banking their share schemes / pension contributions / bonus before anyone works out they have totally screwed the company - just in time to hire a new CEO.
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Old 29.05.2018, 17:36
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My entire life we boycottet Nestlé again and again (and always for v.e.r.y good reasons), they never changed their ways.

I quit drinking Nespresso a few months ago. Originally for other reasons.
Unfortunately, Cailler is Nestlé too

One wonders, what makes a Swiss company Swiss? (Or any company that advertises being a certain nationality).
I clearly never expected my own actions* to change the business of such a big corporate. Clearly the business would be impacted only if numerous customers are doing the same (which will most likely never happens).

Cailler is nestlé? Their factory is rubbish, treating people like cattle. Anyway, I prefer Belgium chocolate. Ouch I can kiss goodbye to Swiss Nationality now


*But yeah anyway, I will do it more actively, hunt and ban Nestlé products.
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Old 29.05.2018, 17:38
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I clearly never expected my own actions* to change the business of such a big corporate. Clearly the business would be impacted only if numerous customers are doing the same (which will most likely never happens).

Cailler is nestlé? Their factory is rubbish, treating people like cattle. Anyway, I prefer Belgium chocolate. Ouch I can kiss goodbye to Swiss Nationality now


*But yeah anyway, I will do it more actively, hunt and ban Nestlé products.
Would only make sense to me if you also would stop buying products from other companies who do the same.
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Old 29.05.2018, 18:20
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not at all, it was kinda a joke, but based on reality, all new CEO's are given targets / goals and their bonus's / remuneration are based on meeting these goals. Its a sad fact of life when you give people targets, especially when you link the targets to pay, then people will do just about anything to meet their targets and screw everything and everyone else, I've seen it over and over and over again just about everywhere I've ever worked.

You can multiply this effect by about 1000 when the new CEO has no former connection to the company. Target - cut costs, this always means cut staff, generally cost center staff, hey, IT are paid a lot, cut them, off shore, near shore etc etc, close expensive sites, stop infrastructure projects and upgrades etc etc

All of which is short sighted in the extreme, its time all companies woke up to the fact they are IT companies, that just so happen to sell food (or whatever) without IT they wouldn't even be able to make / receive a phone call or even get into the building let alone type into their cost benefit xls sheet to decide who stays and goes.

Then at the end of the year senior managers can all pat themselves on the back for increasing ebita while banking their share schemes / pension contributions / bonus before anyone works out they have totally screwed the company - just in time to hire a new CEO.



As a generalisation you are right, but for once, Nestle operates differently
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Then at the end of the year senior managers can all pat themselves on the back for increasing ebita while banking their share schemes / pension contributions / bonus before anyone works out they have totally screwed the company - just in time to hire a new CEO.
nearly correct. first you source out, get a bonus. then you get the usual mess, source everything in again and get another bonus.
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Old 29.05.2018, 21:41
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The employees are being offered relocation to Barcelona or Italy, but also being supported in finding something new here in CH / early pension etc.
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Hi this is not the case as it a stands.
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Old 30.05.2018, 00:05
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Re: Nestle cuts 580 IT/Logistics jobs in Swiss Romande

I hear the objective is eventually 25% less people....
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Old 30.05.2018, 05:54
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interesting, I understand labour laws in Italy are some of the strictest around, so are they being re-located as full time open ended employee contracts or as contractors? and with a hefty pay cut I assume.
Probably a mix of all, but it doesn't matter. They don't think that far cause by the time any issues may arise, they've long been promoted as a reward for the awesome work they've done, and/or have moved on entirely, for the same reason, and of course after getting a nice little bonus and/or package. No one cares what happens 6-12 months from now.

What counts for now is short-term supposed savings of a few hundred $$ a month, though it's probably more expensive if you actually incorporated lack of efficiency in process and implementation. Or has outsourcing/offshoring of pretty much any service in any area ever seriously improved efficiency, in the mid- to long-run anyway? I have yet to find it.

The problem is not Nestle or any other company or even globalization. The problem is limited long-term considerations and pretending the random back and forth is due to "being flexible and dynamic", and of course a lack of accountability despite the shitloads they all get paid...

Blame it on greed and capitalism. Want to change something - start there. Marx might have been right after all.
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Old 30.05.2018, 09:25
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As a generalisation you are right, but for once, Nestle operates differently
do they?? this is the same guy thats paying starbucks 7 billion to licence the brand for home use, now if you ignore the fact they are buying a brand to compete against THEMSELVES !?!?!?!?! have you ever heard anyone, ever, say they would like to have a starbucks coffee at home?? whats next? will he licence mcdonalds food for the home freezer market?
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Old 30.05.2018, 12:38
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In fact, it's simple. We can boycot Nestle products.......
This may help doing that.

Shit, my mustartd is Nestlé too
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This may help doing that.

Shit, my mustartd is Nestlé too
Quite disappointing, it turns out, as per all categories in your list, that I am already not buying ANY nestlé products...

Not even the cereals (which I googled to see which one displayed their logo nestle cereals).

I did not know about St Pellegrino though ( I knew about Henniez, but my tap water is from a source located nearby Henniez and it tastes great).
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Re: Nestle cuts 580 IT/Logistics jobs in Swiss Romande

I am aware about Nespresso outsourcing their IT in Barcelona. This process started earlier this year. However, Vevey-HQ doing the same is a sign of changing times in the global economy. Even the Swiss do it wow !
The end of high salaries has begun for fortress Switzerland. It is high time it competes with the real world.
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Re: Nestle cuts 580 IT/Logistics jobs in Swiss Romande

https://www.letemps.ch/economie/nest...atique-vaudois
450 jobs are cut, not 500 as previously announced.
Still, almost half a thousand people dumped in a short time span...
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https://www.letemps.ch/economie/nest...atique-vaudois
450 jobs are cut, not 500 as previously announced.
Still, almost half a thousand people dumped in a short time span...
Yes but this is just good media usage. Nestle always planned 450 but by saying 500 then ‘listening’ to their employees they announce 450 and say ‘look, we care’. The same principle applies to the timeline: nestle now announce that it’s not until 2020 that people are going not 2019, however when you look at the numbers everyone is gone by end of 2019 except a handful who then go in a one-off extra wave in 2020.

I understand what nestle are doing - and I myself will be affected by this decision from them - but it’s a clumsy way to cut costs, we would have been better removing low performance employees globally, not simply getting a pen and putting a red line through Switzerland. This is a personal opinion only of course.
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Re: Nestle cuts 580 IT/Logistics jobs in Swiss Romande

@Mikers:
What kind of positions are impacted? S/w dev? Or IT like data center, networking, support?
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What kind of positions are impacted? S/w dev? Or IT like data center, networking, support?
All fields are affected, literally the lot. Remember though only senior IT is left here, all med and junior stuff is outsourced to low cost providers in other countries.

Even our work is not fully cut as we run FTS so IT lead also runs in the other tinesones and teams exist there too.
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Re: Nestle cuts 580 IT/Logistics jobs in Swiss Romande

The trouble is "low performance" employees are not expensive and easy to hire & fire....and it certainly doesn't provide the necessary headlines and cost savings to achieve there current objectives
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Re: Nestle cuts 580 IT/Logistics jobs in Swiss Romande

That's Skype for you!


But don't they have long siestas in Barcelona?
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The trouble is "low performance" employees are not expensive and easy to hire & fire....and it certainly doesn't provide the necessary headlines and cost savings to achieve there current objectives
Not entirely accurate.

You can have very high performing temps and say warehouse or admin staff, but low paid.
Equally low performing people who've been at the company for years, soaking up the pay rises and easily getting chf150k +, but are just chewing the cud.

I see it where I work, a sea of grey haired people, half of whom have been there for donkeys years, and could be replaced by lower cost, higher performing people.

I am one of those in the sea of grey by the way, my position already replicated in much lower cost locations, by more capable people.
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