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Why is happiness at work important? Surely it is enough to be employed doing something which is neither dangerous nor humiliating, and receive a regular salary.

It seems like a very First World Problem to me.
why wouldn't you want to spend 40+ hours a week earning money and being happy versus spending 40+ hours a week earning money and being miserable?
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why wouldn't you want to spend 40+ hours a week earning money and being happy versus spending 40+ hours a week earning money and being miserable?
Is anybody really happy at work? I get the impression most people are just trying to make the best of it.
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Old 16.08.2018, 14:21
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If you can improve your work life, why not? I know plenty of people with fulfilling, meaningful jobs and they are a lot less monosyllabic about work than I am. Yes they get paid the same and work similar hours, but the difference is they enjoy going to work
I think DB is likely speaking from the perspective of the mid-to-long-term unemployed therefore has a: "any job is a good job" mentality.

To the rest of us who don't have this issue, his "who needs happiness or satisfaction at work" sentiment is clearly ridiculous.
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I think DB is likely speaking from the perspective of the mid-to-long-term unemployed therefore has a: "any job is a good job" mentality.
I haven't been unemployed for several months, silly boy.

Just being realistic. I can't think of any job I've ever done which was the untrammelled joy that people seem to be seeking.

ETA: you seem to have a bit of an unhealthy obsession with my employment situation. Feeling a bit insecure, are you?
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Old 16.08.2018, 14:37
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Is anybody really happy at work? I get the impression most people are just trying to make the best of it.
some people clearly enjoy what they do e.g. some people i know who are teachers, one guy who is an electronic engineer.

not that it means the job is perfect day in day out, but just something that people get a lot of personal satisfaction from either due to it being their vocation or their interest.

contrast that with many other people (myself included) who do what they do to make money. i wonder if we were offered the same salary but doing any other job we wanted, how many of us would keep our existing jobs?

certainly at some point, one could consider changing jobs for something you enjoy more if there is no adverse income impact, or even if there is, it may be worthwhile for the individual.
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Old 16.08.2018, 14:57
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Why is happiness at work important? Surely it is enough to be employed doing something which is neither dangerous nor humiliating, and receive a regular salary.

It seems like a very First World Problem to me.
Well, we live in the first world, so we deal with it's problems

What you describe is - to me - total horror!
Of course there are times in life where having an income to live on is prior and the situation to combine that with gratification is not given. To me that means/always meant to get the first then keep working on finding where I can get the latter. Not to mention that the short times I just took the job available usually turned out to be opportunities for entierly new ideas and possibilities. Which is why I keep preaching that ideas should never be simply dismissed no matter how crazy they sound at first.

The theme in my professional life was people suggesting and offering jobs to me where my first reaction was "what the hell", then went for it and spent years in the field, even changing jobs but staying in the field.

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Yes. Absolutely. I always was, when that no longer was the case I changed it. There is not one profession I spent several years in I didn't enjoy, succeeded in or would ever regret having invested my time in.

Yeah, I often was lucky to meet the right people at the right time but it was not luck only. The thing about luck is to actually notice it and grab the chances. To do this one needs to ..... what do you guys call it? .... think outside the box.
Well, okay, I might have taken it a step further and lived outside the box. LOL.
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Old 16.08.2018, 15:03
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some people clearly enjoy what they do e.g. some people i know who are teachers, one guy who is an electronic engineer.

not that it means the job is perfect day in day out, but just something that people get a lot of personal satisfaction from either due to it being their vocation or their interest.
You can put me in the: "I enjoy and am satisfied with my job for the most part" category. Of course, nothing is perfect and it certainly is not a calling in life.
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Well, we live in the first world, so we deal with it's problems
Actually, by the original definition, Switzerland is a third world country.

(I dine-out on that fact a lot; causes some heated discussion until I reach for the google...)
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forestry?

i can empathise. i feel fed up too. not just of desk job but just working in general.
Why do you think we keep discussing investments?
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It's probably the majority of people with a desk job. The ones who have to stand directing traffic or handballing cement bags in the pissing rain probably wish they were in a nice warm office.

There are probably some really great jobs. Just not enough to go around. Get yourself a talent.
Test driver for Porsche and photographer for playboy comes to my mind....
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Old 16.08.2018, 15:23
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Re: I am sick of working in an office, at a desk

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Why is happiness at work important? Surely it is enough to be employed doing something which is neither dangerous nor humiliating, and receive a regular salary.

It seems like a very First World Problem to me.
I don't think you have to be "happy" at work, but considering you spend a significant part of your life there, it's worth finding something that is tolerable and interesting, if you can.

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Old 16.08.2018, 15:25
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He earns more than 250,000 CHF a year though, so he doesn't need to do much to retire early other than not losing all of his income on bad investments
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That guy talks about FIRE because he makes > 200K/year, not because he's a financial genius
Don't forget he will need that level of income to become FI without giving up quality of life (if measured by $$$)

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Why is happiness at work important? Surely it is enough to be employed doing something which is neither dangerous nor humiliating, and receive a regular salary.

It seems like a very First World Problem to me.
you spend most of your adult life at work, so it is quite important to enjoy what you are doing.
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Old 16.08.2018, 15:38
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Re: I am sick of working in an office, at a desk

Whenever someone asks me if I like my job, I usually answer no. That's why they pay me to do it. If I enjoyed it I would pay them to do it. Perhaps just the thought process of an engineer, but essentially you are giving up you time, effort, youth (relative), and energy to contribute to bettering society.


Although I definitely understand the sentiment. I would love to be a trust fund kid or a stay-at-home dad, but I'm sure I'd find other things to complain about.
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Don't forget he will need that level of income to become FI without giving up quality of life (if measured by $$$)

If you read that blog you'll quickly realize that his lifestyle is pretty frugal
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Why is happiness at work important ?
This question has many layers . I can't answer it all, but ...

Firstly, I think it stimulates the brain . Happiness releases all sorts of brain endorphins etc. That physically makes a person feel good , and they want to keep feeling that sensation. They want to do something and be in an environment that makes them feel this way.

Secondly, when you're happy you're more likely to try new things . Again, stimulating the brain to think and react in a different way .

Thirdly, so many people tie their identity to their job/work either because of themselves or because of how society views them. They want to be viewed as happy, and having an important purpose. As others mentioned, when a person spends so much time on something they want to feel good about the end result.

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Old 16.08.2018, 15:48
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He earns more than 250,000 CHF a year though, so he doesn't need to do much to retire early other than not losing all of his income on bad investments
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That guy talks about FIRE because he makes > 200K/year, not because he's a financial genius
but isn't that just an average EF salary?
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Re: I am sick of working in an office, at a desk

Didn't Confucius say -

"Do a job you love and you never have to work a day in your life"

I know people who love their jobs but I also know people who hate them but I get where the OP is coming from
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but isn't that just an average EF salary?
for a couple? more or less.
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Old 16.08.2018, 16:27
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Actually, by the original definition, Switzerland is a third world country.

(I dine-out on that fact a lot; causes some heated discussion until I reach for the google...)
I read somewhere that dining-out put Siwtzerland in the third-world-country position.
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