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Well at least in most buros in Switzerland you don't have to wear a tie. You can work pretty casual. I always thought the only use for a tie was to hang yourself on the nearest tree.
I served my apprenticeship in foundry, assembly and weld shops. They were dirty, loud, unheated (and uncooled), and often downright dangerous.

There are worse things than wearing a tie.
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Old 17.08.2018, 20:09
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Well at least in most buros in Switzerland you don't have to wear a tie. You can work pretty casual. I always thought the only use for a tie was to hang yourself on the nearest tree.
Just an excuse to lower the AC!
Ideally one comes in shorts, tshirt, sandels and still sweats.
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I served my apprenticeship in foundry, assembly and weld shops. They were dirty, loud, unheated (and uncooled), and often downright dangerous.

There are worse things than wearing a tie.
Without a doubt!
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Old 17.08.2018, 20:40
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Re: I am sick of working in an office, at a desk

Hey, Iīve just had a 11 hour day at a customerīs office trying to get Prinergy to behave its self. Has its perks though, now sitting in a open top bar overlooking the rooftops of Beirut, cold foamy in a frosted glass, served by the hottest chicks on godīs green earth.
In short you godda take the rough with the smooooooooth.
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Old 17.08.2018, 20:42
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Without a doubt!
Indeed. Once I'd finished my ticket I moved on to mines, oil rigs, and steel mills.

When I changed to working in IT I wore a suit every single day. Every morning I would tie my tie and think "It may be a crap day today, but nothing will be lethally dangerous."

Lest the OP think my point is "Shaddup and grow a pair", it isn't. Being dissatisfied with what you're doing is one thing -if it's a station on the way, just put your head down and get through it.

But if you've reached a stasis, and it's dissatisfying, then you need to make a decision about where you want to move on to, then move on.
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I too am a desperate office worker!
Before that I was a desperate non worker.
Sounds about right
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Hey, Iīve just had a 11 hour day at a customerīs office trying to get Prinergy to behave its self. Has its perks though, now sitting in a open top bar overlooking the rooftops of Beirut, cold foamy in a frosted glass, served by the hottest chicks on godīs green earth.
In short you godda take the rough with the smooooooooth.
pics please
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Old 17.08.2018, 22:17
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Well at least in most buros in Switzerland you don't have to wear a tie. You can work pretty casual. I always thought the only use for a tie was to hang yourself on the nearest tree.
Wrong. A tie is one of the best career investments you can make. Of course, you must wear it consistently and play the part well. I estimate that during my working years here it brought me an extra CHF 20K p.a. over my colleagues who abandoned it as an archaic relic (or when it got too hot). In terms of value for money, nothing beats it.
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Maybe you feel it too after years of sitting at a desk and working with abstract concepts all day long: you want a break, you want to be outside, interacting with the real life.

Any ideas about possible jobs/gigs that one can do in Switzerland so that she stays out of the typical corporate office?

I'm mid 30, I know a basic level of german, better french, gesturing in Italian, with a background in software development. I don't need to earn a fortune, just enough to have a frugal life and most important: stay employed.

The purpose is to have a purpose , to do something really useful and, ideally , outside somewhere, or simply put: not at a desk.

Opinions? Feelings? Is it just me? ...

As another forumer mentioned, you could consider working 60% or so. That should keep you employed and also probably provide for the frugal lifestyle you aspire to in addition to giving you the extra time you crave to do other things. You could consider using the extra free time to pursue your passion be it cooking/painting/just being outdoors.



As an aside, I would recommend having a gratitude journal. When negative thoughts arise you could write down 3 things you are grateful for.


I once went to this talk at work where the guy said if you can choose what you want to eat for lunch and have it you are faring better than 80% of the world's population. That really stuck.


The real life in my humble opinion is not led by being an escapist. I have far more respect for the person that faces the challenges their own circumstances present rather than stepping outdoors in search of monsters to fight and conquer. But I digress...
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Old 17.08.2018, 23:48
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Re: I am sick of working in an office, at a desk

You could look for a Summer job somewhere in the mountains.
Next summer, of course.

https://www.zalp.ch/daserstemal/index.html

It's three months, usually.

Depending on how long you've been at your current job, your employer may give you a couple of months of unpaid leave.

Then you can see if you're cut out for working outside.
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Depending on how long you've been at your current job, your employer may give you a couple of months of unpaid leave.
Excellent idea!
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Old 29.08.2018, 17:52
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Just completing the loop: https://retireinprogress.com/everybo...e-in-10-years/

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Re: I am sick of working in an office, at a desk

Yea, we always said pop will eat itself (ok, that was just a band name).

Although skimming the article, I can see a slight problem which makes me doubt their judgement:

"It’s 5 pages of high quality comments on work satisfaction, happiness..."

(Emphasis is mine.)
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Yea, we always said pop will eat itself (ok, that was just a band name).

Although skimming the article, I can see a slight problem which makes me doubt their judgement:

"It’s 5 pages of high quality comments on work satisfaction, happiness..."

(Emphasis is mine.)
i think he was just referring to my comments.
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Haha, love to read it! I was surprised that the Italian guy is much like me, even same age. Sure, coming to Switzerland accelerated building my financial freedom exponentially but even if I was living in EU I would still retire at 50.

one punch he made this time is very cruel but accurate
If you suddenly find yourself involuntary unemployed in your 30s or 40s either you’re so good they can’t ignore you (and will be back in the business within minutes) or you’ve done so many mistakes in skill building and networking that probably you didn’t care much about having a job in the first place.

I've done one big mistake - I didn't do professional networking in Switzerland. There's still many jobs available but when the pay is lower than the money from unemployment insurance... Same logic apply to any gig in EU, so worst case lets have two years sabbatical if really no nice job comes by and then maybe just retire in Thailand

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I've done one big mistake - I didn't do professional networking in Switzerland. There's still many jobs available but when the pay is lower than the money from unemployment insurance... Same logic apply to any gig in EU, so worst case lets have two years sabbatical if really no nice job comes by and then maybe just retire in Thailand
Both gigs I landed so far in CH were without any networking. Continuously employed. In software engineering (might be the reason why).

Mind you that I'm not saying networking is to be avoided or that I'm underestimating its perks, just that it's not vital in the current context.
And it's partially thanks to EF and the good availability of information in CH.
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Both gigs I landed so far in CH were without any networking. Continuously employed. In software engineering (might be the reason why).

Mind you that I'm not saying networking is to be avoided or that I'm underestimating its perks, just that it's not vital in the current context.
And it's partially thanks to EF and the good availability of information in CH.
Sure, I believe you, it's nothing unusual if your cv fall well into Swiss market demand. I have skill set which fits many advertised jobs but I have also mastered specific domain for which there is zero interest so far on Swiss market. My application falls through the cracks despite I reassure that I have the necessary skills, simply because I was not doing the exact tasks in my most recent job. I am sure about the cause as I have sent two random anonymized fake applications, rather weak but stating the exact same job type as current position, the invitation was very quick. Of course I don't do it anymore, it was just a market research

In my honest observation, Switzerland is not a market for creative and flexible engineers. HR look for the exact fit ignoring the fact that the job is going to evolve within the next few months.
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I am sick of working in an office, at a desk
Then don't go in. Stay home. It's often the best way.
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Maybe you feel it too after years of sitting at a desk and working with abstract concepts all day long.
So I took pity on you and crafted a virus and released it into a market in Wuhan. It seems to have spread quite well and I guess you and many others will not have been working in an office. How are you enjoying it so far? Wish you were back working in the office?

What would it be for your last 2 wishes?
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So I took pity on you and crafted a virus and released it into a market in Wuhan. It seems to have spread quite well and I guess you and many others will not have been working in an office. How are you enjoying it so far? Wish you were back working in the office?

What would it be for your last 2 wishes?
You did a lousy job. All you achieved was putting people into home-office, sitting on cheap chairs at old, shaky Ikea desks with the kids screaming and the wife/husband nagging in the back-ground. Realizing how crap you are at math, spelling, languages and not to mention all the school subjects not even existing back in you days. With the result, that you're kids no longer think you're the greatest.

Try again.
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