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You did a lousy job. All you achieved was putting people into home-office, sitting on cheap chairs at old, shaky Ikea desks with the kids screaming and the wife/husband nagging in the back-ground. Realizing how crap you are at math, spelling, languages and not to mention all the school subjects not even existing back in you days. With the result, that you're kids no longer think you're the greatest.

Try again.
I truly believe the "silent majority" have hated this experience. I know multiple good people off long term with stress - something I've not come across before. Yet all the stories are about people being delighted about avoiding a commute (for me it helps to separate my home and work life). WFH has not been sustainable. On boarding people has been difficult and slow, team building damaged. Zoom Meetings are tiring and unpleasant. Casual interactions leading to new opportunities don't happen. I really struggle to see any positives. I'll be doing every day in the office from my first jab onwards.
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I truly believe the "silent majority" have hated this experience. I know multiple good people off long term with stress - something I've not come across before. Yet all the stories are about people being delighted about avoiding a commute (for me it helps to separate my home and work life). WFH has not been sustainable. On boarding people has been difficult and slow, team building damaged. Zoom Meetings are tiring and unpleasant. Casual interactions leading to new opportunities don't happen. I really struggle to see any positives. I'll be doing every day in the office from my first jab onwards.
Funny, because 90% of people I know in my department are loving home office and will in future do a minimum of 1-2 days per week even when things go back to normal.

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-No time lost with commute or morning routine
-In the comfort of your home with easy access to food, drink and other comforts
-More productive
-Much easier/quicker to get ready to go and exercise

Disadvantages:

-Lower social interaction and team building
-Your home workspace ergonomics and working habits have to be decent otherwise you may have health-related issues
-If you don't like your apartment (live in a studio) or home life is not suitable for concentrating (unsatisfying relationship or kids running around) then you will really miss the office

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I love my apartment and I love being able to do my hour of exercise every lunch time, so home office is certainly something I will be doing in the future 1-3 days a week... especially Mondays and Fridays which just make the week feel so much more relaxed.
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Re: I am sick of working in an office, at a desk

If I was retraining I would become a skilled tradesman, either a plumber or electrician. Pay is great, you can run your own business, and there seems to be a shortage of these people everywhere I have lived. I had to pay a guy CHF 300 just to install some lights in my apartment, a job that took this guy under an hour. The guy was Scottish (had met a Swiss bird) and was living here speaking almost no German, but kept very busy by the endless expats coming and going and needing odd jobs done. At 300/hour that is better than most rates lawyers charge.
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Old 27.04.2021, 08:36
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If I was retraining I would become a skilled tradesman, either a plumber or electrician. Pay is great, you can run your own business, and there seems to be a shortage of these people everywhere I have lived. I had to pay a guy CHF 300 just to install some lights in my apartment, a job that took this guy under an hour. The guy was Scottish (had met a Swiss bird) and was living here speaking almost no German, but kept very busy by the endless expats coming and going and needing odd jobs done. At 300/hour that is better than most rates lawyers charge.
I think you may be underestimating how that kind of skilled manual labour is already extremely competitive in CH, with many well established companies all vying for business. I doubt it's as easy as you think.

Also, as an aside if you paid 300chf for less than an hour of installing lights then holy crap... you are truly very naive and were genuinely ripped off by what appears to be an unscrupulous rogue tradesman. The hourly rate for general handyman stuff is less than 100chf per hour!

Name and shame this guy because he is a modern day Dick Turpin.
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I truly believe the "silent majority" have hated this experience. I know multiple good people off long term with stress - something I've not come across before. Yet all the stories are about people being delighted about avoiding a commute (for me it helps to separate my home and work life). WFH has not been sustainable. On boarding people has been difficult and slow, team building damaged. Zoom Meetings are tiring and unpleasant. Casual interactions leading to new opportunities don't happen. I really struggle to see any positives. I'll be doing every day in the office from my first jab onwards.
It was an eye opening experience. I assumed that given the choice of working from home, I would work 100% from home. Having experienced that, I'd probably only do 2-3 days from home.
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Funny, because 90% of people I know in my department are loving home office and will in future do a minimum of 1-2 days per week even when things go back to normal.

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Advantages:

-No time lost with commute or morning routine
-In the comfort of your home with easy access to food, drink and other comforts
-More productive
-Much easier/quicker to get ready to go and exercise

Disadvantages:

-Lower social interaction and team building
-Your home workspace ergonomics and working habits have to be decent otherwise you may have health-related issues
-If you don't like your apartment (live in a studio) or home life is not suitable for concentrating (unsatisfying relationship or kids running around) then you will really miss the office

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I love my apartment and I love being able to do my hour of exercise every lunch time, so home office is certainly something I will be doing in the future 1-3 days a week... especially Mondays and Fridays which just make the week feel so much more relaxed.
Agree with this, I think at least partial home office is the way forward. I appreciate the flexibility of being able to divide your working day or week in more ways than you would at the office. I can also get certain tasks done (shopping, post etc) outside of 'rush hour'.

I imagine the impact on the environment has been positive and I imagine the reduced traffic will also have resulted in less accidents/casualties.
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Re: I am sick of working in an office, at a desk

I would happily do home office 2-3 days per week until I retire. Just finished my morning workout - about to enjoy a breakfast burrito prepared by my sweet husband ... life is good & I count my blessings.

I do have empathy for those who have struggled with home office full time, it isn’t for everyone & I hope you can get back soon. Being married and only a parent of the furry type of children, it has been relatively pleasant (and at times monotonous) for me. I miss my old life outside of work more than anything.
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I think you may be underestimating how that kind of skilled manual labour is already extremely competitive in CH, with many well established companies all vying for business. I doubt it's as easy as you think.

Also, as an aside if you paid 300chf for less than an hour of installing lights then holy crap... you are truly very naive and were genuinely ripped off by what appears to be an unscrupulous rogue tradesman. The hourly rate for general handyman stuff is less than 100chf per hour!

Name and shame this guy because he is a modern day Dick Turpin.
There are some great handyman on EF who will do it for 35 chf
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There are some great handyman on EF who will do it for 35 chf
I'm sure they would but that I think that is really at the absolute low-end end of pricing and that it's unlikely that they are qualified electricians and/or that they even have insurance in case anything goes wrong.

Otherwise, they would have to be pretty desperate for work.
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Re: I am sick of working in an office, at a desk

I've written about this before, but nonetheless:

Home office has meant that we no longer have a home, we now have an office. The family 'non workers' exist in that space, but what we've been doing for the past year certainly can't be called living.

Obviously work has to take precedence over family life, that's what pays the bills. So we have spent the last year walking on eggshells, trying to inhabit our house-turned-office as unobtrusively as possible. Too often we fail. The tension is palpable, 24/7.

OH had been working from home one day a week for the last few years, so at the beginning we thought WFH full time would be a cakewalk. But as time has worn on, it clearly is not sustainable. At least not sustainable as a family.

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I've written about this before, but nonetheless:

Home office has meant that we no longer have a home, we now have an office. The family 'non workers' exist in that space, but what we've been doing for the past year certainly can't be called living.
meloncollie that is imo some high drama and sensationalism. I mean come on, our home is still our home and we have for the most part still been living very well, all things considered.

The world was hit by a pandemic and we live in a country with great healthcare, no overcrowding and easy access to open spaces and nature and where deaths and restrictions were comparatively low vs ^many other Western countries. Many of us also kept our jobs through being able to work from home which kept the businesses running.

If that's not being pretty privileged... then what is?
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I've written about this before, but nonetheless:

Home office has meant that we no longer have a home, we now have an office. The family 'non workers' exist in that space, but what we've been doing for the past year certainly can't be called living.

Obviously work has to take precedence over family life, that's what pays the bills. So we have spent the last year walking on eggshells, trying to inhabit our house-turned-office as unobtrusively as possible. Too often we fail. The tension is palpable, 24/7.

OH had been working from home one day a week for the last few years, so at the beginning we thought WFH full time would be a cakewalk. But as time has worn on, it clearly is not sustainable. At least not sustainable as a family

YMMV.
I understand ... but for some, it has brought their family closer together & my husband works in high pressure trade finance. Everyone is different as you say, YMMV. I hope it gets better for you! In this lovely weather, take your pups out for nice long walks.

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meloncollie that is imo some high drama and sensationalism. I mean come on, our home is still our home and we have for the most part still been living very well, all things considered.
I understand what melloncollie is saying. Especially before I moved to a larger place a few months ago. 2 people working in one room, the same room used for mealtimes and recreation, it was like we were never more than 3 meters from work. When one of us stopped working there was a feeling that as the other was still working you couldn't enjoy the space. I can imagine that people in studios had it worse.

Having a separate room for an office was one of the big reasons for moving. Having a door to separate work from the rest of home life is psychologically valuable to us.

My work phone forwards straight to my private phone, as well, so that removed some of the physical distance from the office. I saw a few benefits when working on intensive solo documents, but anything collaborative remains a pain.
For the future I think I'd like a 3/2 optional split.

It's all FWP, but they're the problems we have so they've been relevant to me.
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I prefer not having to prepare food 3 times a day and having at least one of those meals ready-made for me in the canteen.
And gym is at the office, so it is actually easier to train immediately around work time.
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I prefer not having to prepare food 3 times a day and having at least one of those meals ready-made for me in the canteen.
And gym is at the office, so it is actually easier to train immediately around work time.
Blech, I don't miss the canteen.

These guys are great if you want a break now and then:

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I prefer not having to prepare food 3 times a day and having at least one of those meals ready-made for me in the canteen.
Sure, it's nice to have one meal prepared for you... but it's hardly a 'hardship' to have to prepare 3 yourself.

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And gym is at office, so it is actually easier to train immediately around work time.
If there is one thing I (and I imagine many others) have learned over the last year it's that you don't need a gym to build strength or exercise and keep fit. There's tons you can do at home and outdoors.
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If I was retraining I would become a skilled tradesman, either a plumber or electrician. Pay is great, you can run your own business, and there seems to be a shortage of these people everywhere I have lived. I had to pay a guy CHF 300 just to install some lights in my apartment, a job that took this guy under an hour. The guy was Scottish (had met a Swiss bird) and was living here speaking almost no German, but kept very busy by the endless expats coming and going and needing odd jobs done. At 300/hour that is better than most rates lawyers charge.
Or a carpenter. After all at one point or another people will get sick of those bad chairs and shaky desks from Ikea.

Seriously though, I would do that. As a hobby earning some side money at least.

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Perception is everything.
Agreed - y'all please don't campaign to take away my home office just because it sucks for you. If you want to go into the office, please do - but kindly understand that some people don't.
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Agreed - y'all please don't campaign to take away my home office just because it sucks for you. If you want to go into the office, please do - but kindly understand that some people don't.

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Love working from home. And if in future I´d have to go into the office one day per week or 2 and work from home the other days, I´d be more than happy.
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I think there are a lot of costs pawned over to employees. I also know that not everybody is good at managing their employees from a distance, that's an aquired skill and one needs a lot of training for it. Or experience - to be able to objectively asses quality of work and productivity of their people while having very little real contact. Team efforts are easier in real proximity, learning is easier from a real teacher who knows you. People mostly, in my experience, prefer real classes to online edu, real doctor to telemed, really physically present team to cooperate together, real party to online apero, real family BBQ to getting good at selfies and self-filming.

So - while some benefited, I do know a lot of uni students and professionals who couldn't wait for the real deal, again.

There are of course many aspects why I also made the most of all the homeschooling/homeoffice/conferencing/online teaching/distance learning..But working with real people around is easier, I think, and one gets evaluated also more objectively.
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