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Check mobile for bug/wiretap?

This might sound paranoid, but I would like to check a mobile phone for bug/wiretap (software or hardware), recording mostly sound even if the phone looks turned off.

Is the a shop in Switzerland offering such services?

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Old 03.12.2018, 18:31
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This might sound paranoid, but I would like to check a mobile phone for bug/wiretap (software or hardware), recording mostly sound even if the phone looks turned off.
Well, it could happen.

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But that's delusional.
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Re: Check mobile for bug/wiretap?

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Then your asking on the wrong platform.
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Re: Check mobile for bug/wiretap?

Remove the battery of your old phone. No battery, no bug/wiretap. Now shred the phone and dispose the battery properly.

Buy a new phone. In a random chosen store at least 100 km away where you live. Next go in anther town and buy an new notebook. Use this notebook only to make backups of your phone. Never connect your phone to any other computer. And only connect the computer with internet once to download the needed connection software. After that never ever again. Do this from a public WIFI hot spot in a third location.

To get to all this places travel by public transport. Pay the tickets using hard cash. Get full fare ones. Do not use a half fare card discount so that you can show the ticked w/o any further ID. Do not have any other phone or any other electronic device with you when you do this. Nothing with a battery (watches, radio receiver, pace maker etc.), with a plug (computer, power supply, hair dryer, washing machine, etc.), or RFID (bank cards, half fare card, car keys, cloth safety tags, chipped cat or dog etc.) Do not install any apps (no candy crush, whatsapp, facebook, pinterest, threema, telegram, etc.) on the new phone. Do not surf on the internet with the new phone. Always remove the battery when you are not using it,an especially during sensitive private conversations. Regardless if in person or on the phone.
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Re: Check mobile for bug/wiretap?

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This might sound paranoid, but I would like to check a mobile phone for bug/wiretap (software or hardware), recording mostly sound even if the phone looks turned off.

Is the a shop in Switzerland offering such services?

Serious replies only please, thank you.

Android or iOS?

For a recent iOS to be bugged, you'd need to have nation-state adversaries going after you. Remote exploits for it are very expensive. You'd need to be a very high value target to someone signing off on burning a million-dollar exploit on you.

Your profile states that you're an accountant. Unless you're "The Accountant", I think we can rule that out?
Or do you work for an NGO or something along that line?

If you use an Android-phone, it's basically game over anyway.
It's usually full of unpatched bugs, there's a lot more 0-days available and the curation and background-checking of apps in the store isn't as thorough as on iOS. Physical security is also a problem with Android as the phones can be rooted much easier.

If you suspect a physical ("classic") bug in your environment, there are various tools to locate those:
http://www.detektei-schutzdienst-sho...SAAEgK2uvD_BwE

But again, this is an arms-race. If you have nation-state adversaries, it's unlikely you'll find the bugs with a tool you bought of the internet for 150 CHFs.

You can try building a SCIF (Google "How to build a SCIF") - it's a fun project IMO and will keep you busy for a while.

AFAIK, if you buy one of the gadgets from the shop above and import it, the authorities might take an interest in you. Customs will most likely intercept it.
You address will also most likely be forwarded to the German regulator, as well as the Swiss one (BAKOM) - that's usually how these kinds of shops stay open.
If you're truly paranoid, you'd have to build these yourself from parts.
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Old 04.12.2018, 00:02
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Re: Check mobile for bug/wiretap?

And keep your phone totally wrapped in aluminum foil when not in use.
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Old 04.12.2018, 00:25
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Remove the battery of your old phone. No battery, no bug/wiretap. Now shred the phone and dispose the battery properly.

Buy a new phone. In a random chosen store at least 100 km away where you live. Next go in anther town and buy an new notebook. Use this notebook only to make backups of your phone. Never connect your phone to any other computer. And only connect the computer with internet once to download the needed connection software. After that never ever again. Do this from a public WIFI hot spot in a third location.

To get to all this places travel by public transport. Pay the tickets using hard cash. Get full fare ones. Do not use a half fare card discount so that you can show the ticked w/o any further ID. Do not have any other phone or any other electronic device with you when you do this. Nothing with a battery (watches, radio receiver, pace maker etc.), with a plug (computer, power supply, hair dryer, washing machine, etc.), or RFID (bank cards, half fare card, car keys, cloth safety tags, chipped cat or dog etc.) Do not install any apps (no candy crush, whatsapp, facebook, pinterest, threema, telegram, etc.) on the new phone. Do not surf on the internet with the new phone. Always remove the battery when you are not using it,an especially during sensitive private conversations. Regardless if in person or on the phone.
sorry, but you shouldn't connect the computer to a network ever. in fact, before even turning on the computer for the first time, you should open it up, remove all the wireless and networking modules.

for the connecing software, you should write this yourself so that there is no need to download code.

also, public transport has cctv. you need to get about on foot or by bike. preferably take a bolt cutter and steal bikes and change bikes to avoid being tracked (best to change bikes under a bridge or other structure to avoid observation).
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Old 04.12.2018, 00:28
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Android or iOS?

For a recent iOS to be bugged, you'd need to have nation-state adversaries going after you.
or a suspicious partner who installs a hidden app.
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Re: Check mobile for bug/wiretap?

Let me ask my mate Bond, James Bond
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Old 04.12.2018, 07:52
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Re: Check mobile for bug/wiretap?

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Buy a new phone. In a random chosen store at least 100 km away where you live.

To get to all this places travel by public transport. Pay the tickets using hard cash. Get full fare ones. Do not use a half fare card discount so that you can show the ticked w/o any further ID. Do not have any other phone or any other electronic device with you when you do this. Nothing with a battery (watches, radio receiver, pace maker etc.), with a plug (computer, power supply, hair dryer, washing machine, etc.)
I can only second the advice not to bring your washing machine with you when you travel on public transport, in case it is bugged.
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Re: Check mobile for bug/wiretap?

If they want to bug your phone, they will. Take the battery out (not easily done with Apple) and keep it in a ziplock bag.

If it’s an apple turn it off completely, wrap in aluminium foil and keep in a ziplock.

AND NEVER USE IT!
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Re: Check mobile for bug/wiretap?

Everyone is making this exercise too complicated. The simplest solution is to put the phone in the microwave for 1:30 on "High" before every use.
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Old 04.12.2018, 09:06
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Re: Check mobile for bug/wiretap?

just buy the cheapest of the cheap basic phone, Conrad sell em for around 9chf, every few days throw it away and start again.

But ....

That won't help with your sim card being tracked and the network provider / CIA / KGB / GCHQ / Chinese all listening
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Old 04.12.2018, 09:17
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just buy the cheapest of the cheap basic phone, Conrad sell em for around 9chf, every few days throw it away and start again.

But ....

That won't help with your sim card being tracked and the network provider / CIA / KGB / GCHQ / Chinese all listening
UK & Malta sims can be bought over the counter without any ID, change phone & phone no every week.
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Re: Check mobile for bug/wiretap?

And don´t go to China, where a friendly plane clothes "policeman" will take your phone and install a piece of code, no idea what it does and I havn´t trusted my phone since.
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UK & Malta sims can be bought over the counter without any ID, change phone & phone no every week.
Yeh, them days are gone in the rest of Europe.
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Re: Check mobile for bug/wiretap?

Due to the fact that all currently sold phones have to support the oldest possible cellular systems which ciphers and other protections were hacked long ago, the common trick is to have one's own BTS (aka "cell tower") that pretends to be e.g. swisscom and make the phone connect through it. It would be highly illegal but tools are on the market and certainly US police are buying them (e.g. so called Stingray).
Besides, since long ago, *some* cell phones provided lawful intercept of not just conversations, but also of recording whatever happened even if such a phone was supposedly turned off (think how nice it is when a battery is non removable :-) ).
The only problem in US was wether a wiretap warrant for good enough to record like that...

Now, the old "bug" with a narrowband transmitter continuously on was easy to detect. Newer ones (spread spectrum) are harder, but maybe can't be bought off-the-shelf yet, but could be found by physical inspection of the phone innards.

A software "bug" - forget it. You'd need to hire Kaspersky lab or a similar well motivated hacker and they might still fail to discover it.

If you suspect a spy software installed on a phone then simply backup your pictures and video recordings, throw away any other downloaded stuff (apps in particular, but media files as well as many times in the past these were the vectors of infecting computers), and re-install the operating system on the device using the most "wipe-all" method. If a phone was rooted, then sell it and get a new one :-)
And don't put the old pictures and recordings back to it just in case :-)
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Re: Check mobile for bug/wiretap?

kinda wanna know who the op works for / has pissed off that they think they are so important that someone would go to all the hassle and extreme expense, not to mention multiple laws broken, to bug their iphone lol
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kinda wanna know who the op works for / has pissed off that they think they are so important that someone would go to all the hassle and extreme expense, not to mention multiple laws broken, to bug their iphone lol

I'd say a jealous (ex-)partner is enough in some cases
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I'd say a jealous (ex-)partner is enough in some cases
unless the expartner is some kind of MIT genius or works for mossad 'hacking' an iphone is way beyond them. If its not then I'm sure a whole load of job offers will be coming their way.
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