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Old 26.03.2019, 13:01
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It should also tell you how seriously they take disturbances of the peace on a Sunday. It's not England where people do what the hell they like (fly tipping, garden bonfires, all-day machinery etc) on whatever day and screw the consequences, it's a different culture based on clearly defined rules that people are expected to respect.
Regarding the fly-tipping, you're joking aren't you?

People here don't do it out of any respect. It's because they don't want to pay the fine. Period.

Countries that border Switzerland have a huge problem with Swiss people dumping their rubbish across the Swiss border so they don't need to pay to have their rubbish taken away.

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In 2017, the customs officers of the Bourgogne-Franche-Comté region held back almost 10 tonnes of waste from Switzerland on the border. Within a year, no fewer than 140 Swiss were caught red-handed as they were transporting garbage across the border or illegally depositing it in France, 20 more than in 2016. Excluding all those who went through or did not identify the customs officers could become.
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People are the same everywhere. There are no halos here.
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Old 26.03.2019, 13:12
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Regarding the fly-tipping, you're joking aren't you?

People here don't do it out of any respect. It's because they don't want to pay the fine. Period.
How are you going to pay a fine if you don't get caught randomly dumping your rubbish somewhere? There is nothing open or legitimate about fly-tipping, it's an illegal disposing of waste and the kind of thing that causes people to dump trucks of rubbish in the middle of English country roads when no-one is looking.

As for the halo thing I never said Swiss people were angels, but clearly the enforcement works in this country. If someone wants to travel over the border and then tip their rubbish there then there's not much we can do about that, is there?
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Old 26.03.2019, 13:15
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As for the halo thing I never said Swiss people were angels, but clearly the enforcement works in this country. If someone wants to travel over the border and then tip their rubbish there's not much we can do about that is there?
You mentioned the word "respect". I don't see keeping your own country pristine by pissing in your neighbouring countries as particularly respectful.
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You mentioned the word "respect". I don't see keeping your own country pristine by pissing in your neighbouring countries as particularly respectful.
Tom, you are misinterpreting a word in rather surprisingly anal detail (even by your standards) for your own ends there. It is contextually obvious what I meant when I said "people are expected to respect". Obviously there are exceptions, that is self-explanatory.
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Old 26.03.2019, 13:25
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It should also tell you how seriously they take disturbances of the peace on a Sunday.
The whole point is that yes, I broke the law, but I didn't disturb the peace. I can still think it's a bit bonkers even if I agree to pay the fine
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Old 26.03.2019, 13:31
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The whole point is that yes, I broke the law, but I didn't disturb the peace. I can still think it's a bit bonkers even if I agree to pay the fine
The point is though regardless of whether you "disturbed" anyone or not you broke the law therefore you pay the penalty and that's all there is to it.
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Old 26.03.2019, 13:37
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The point is though regardless of whether you "disturbed" anyone or not you broke the law therefore you pay the penalty and that's all there is to it.
And it appears the harsh penalties work as Switzerland is quiet and it's pristine.

(And neighbouring countries are dirtier because the penalties are not so steep and a few Swiss dump their rubbish there instead).

So perhaps the answer to to those who complain about the fly-tipping etc in the U.K, for example is simply for the U.K. to raise the fines. There's no need to worry about the knock on effect of U.K. citizens dumping their rubbish abroad as most people don't own boats.
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Old 26.03.2019, 13:38
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The point is though regardless of whether you "disturbed" anyone or not you broke the law therefore you pay the penalty and that's all there is to it.
I'm going to stop now, as it's resolved, but of course, that's not all there is to it. I can have an opinion about whether I think the law is appropriate or just or reasonable. And I can have an opinion about whether I think the punishment is appropriate or just or reasonable. And I can have opinions about what it says about what the Swiss valuable and find it interesting and infuriating at times. I don't expect anyone to agree with me.
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Old 26.03.2019, 13:59
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I'm going to stop now, as it's resolved, but of course, that's not all there is to it. I can have an opinion about whether I think the law is appropriate or just or reasonable. And I can have an opinion about whether I think the punishment is appropriate or just or reasonable. And I can have opinions about what it says about what the Swiss valuable and find it interesting and infuriating at times. I don't expect anyone to agree with me.

I would do some more rounds of discussion as the horse is not dead enough.
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Old 26.03.2019, 14:10
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I'm going to stop now, as it's resolved, but of course, that's not all there is to it. I can have an opinion about whether I think the law is appropriate or just or reasonable. And I can have an opinion about whether I think the punishment is appropriate or just or reasonable. And I can have opinions about what it says about what the Swiss valuable and find it interesting and infuriating at times. I don't expect anyone to agree with me.
Out of interest -
  • What would you feel would be a reasonable amount to pay as a fine?
  • What would be the minimum you would pay so you would never do it again?
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Old 26.03.2019, 14:19
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Out of interest -
  • What would you feel would be a reasonable amount to pay as a fine?
  • What would be the minimum you would pay so you would never do it again?
1. <40 chf (imo, not as serious as basic parking fine)
2. 10 chf
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Old 26.03.2019, 14:23
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1. <40 chf (imo, not as serious as basic parking fine)
Plus 210 CHF admin fee.
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The whole point is that yes, I broke the law, but I didn't disturb the peace. I can still think it's a bit bonkers even if I agree to pay the fine
What was the rule you actually broke if I may ask?

As for the fine, I agree it's rather much. That said there may be some tendency of over-fine'ing WRT waste "disposal" in the broader sense. Lausanne for instance fines littering (can be as little as a chewing gum wrap) by 150, spitting in public costs 110.
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Well, we contacted the police. First of all, they admitted they had got the crime wrong as it were. Secondly, we are going to pay it (technically we have diplomatic immunity through our work and could refuse to pay). It all ends well.
So the diplomats can break the laws and get off free. Nice!
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Old 26.03.2019, 14:58
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if I'm driving without a licence, it's a 20 CHF fine.
Umm, no. That would be driving without having your license with you.

Driving without a license is far more expensive, and may include jail time.

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Re: Fine from the Police for recycling on the wrong day

If you are prone to flouting rules and are sensitive to outlandish fines, don't ever set foot in Singapore.

SGD 1000 for dropping chewing gum (which is banned anyway) and SGD 300 for dropping a wrapper on the ground.

You can also get a fine for forgetting to flush the toilet.

https://www.goabroad.com/articles/st...-before-you-go
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Umm, no. That would be driving without having your license with you.

Driving without a license is far more expensive, and may include jail time.

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I was unclear, but you knew what I meant.
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Out of interest -
  • What would you feel would be a reasonable amount to pay as a fine?
  • What would be the minimum you would pay so you would never do it again?
I guess around 50 for both.
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What was the rule you actually broke if I may ask?
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I went to the recycling centre on a Sunday. That is illegal in our area.I put some paper in the paper in.
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I went to the recycling centre on a Sunday. That is illegal in our area.I put some paper in the paper in.

This is insane, 250fr! I agree that it is too much.
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