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In Switzerland if it is not a law or rule it is mandatory.

You really have to follow the rules.

Also people report here a lot.

What makes matter worse is that everyone has access to cameras via telephones.
A society of snitches, ugh. I'd rather live in eastern europe where police are rightly called dogs and there is a general code of honor that people do not talk to animals.
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Re: Fine from the Police for recycling on the wrong day

There is free movement of people within Europe (well, most of it)

Please go work in your wonderful countries of Hungary, Bulgaria or head to lovely Eastern Poland and it's splendid infrastructure!
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The victim of the crime is anyone (with or without supernatural hearing or a vindictive attitude towards those who commit minor transgressions) who could have heard any part of what you did: the sound of your driving there, of your car door banging, (and some drivers leave the engine idling while they jump out), the klinking of the chain, the thud of the bundle, and all that again as you leave. And anyone who breathed in the fumes. And the costs to every tax-payer of having set up the system and of enforcing it.

While that may seem petty, the Sunday recycling rule is part of a larger network of laws aimed at keeping Sundays and nights quiet.

This is no longer primarily from a Christian religious perspective, but is so that those who have worked all week (especially in noisy or in stressful places) can fairly much count on one each night and one day per week of relative tranquility, to recuperate.

If you zoom out a bit, you could see your adhering to the Sunday recycling rule as part of your contribution towards keeping down the costs, for society, of medical treatments and disability pensions for physical and psychological ailments resulting from stress or lack of proper rest.
This is so absurd that I can't tell if you're joking or not.

What a weak=minded society.
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This is so absurd that I can't tell if you're joking or not.

What a weak=minded society.
Oh no, I saw a car on a Sunday! I'm going to have medical bills now!
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Re: Fine from the Police for recycling on the wrong day

I have lived in Switzerland now for 27 years. Why? Because it is safe. It is clean. The trains are on time. If you do not like it go back home. When I moved here I too critisized and wanted things to change. There was a dy when a cart full of packages was left on the platform waiting for a train. Nothing was stolen. Today you can pretty count on lost things being retunred. Need I go on about the benefits of Switzerland. if I have to be quiet after 10 so be it.
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Re: Fine from the Police for recycling on the wrong day

I nearly got a fine a few weeks ago using black trash bags rather then blue.
Police where cruising near recycling center and told me I would have to pay a fine if using black trash bags. After checking on line about trash removal regulation in Locarno County I found out that starting February 2019 BLUE trash bags are necessary. Well blue trash bags 35 L cost CHF 1.10 a piece and black ones about CHF 0.20 which is a approx increase of 80%
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I nearly got a fine a few weeks ago using black trash bags rather then blue.
Police where cruising near recycling center and told me I would have to pay a fine if using black trash bags. After checking on line about trash removal regulation in Locarno County I found out that starting February 2019 BLUE trash bags are necessary. Well blue trash bags 35 L cost CHF 1.10 a piece and black ones about CHF 0.20 which is a approx increase of 80%
Toss the black ones in Davesco, you have until July!

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I nearly got a fine a few weeks ago using black trash bags rather then blue.

Well blue trash bags 35 L cost CHF 1.10 a piece and black ones about CHF 0.20 which is a approx increase of 80%
Well yes, but your local taxes should go down accordingly. The whole point of these tax-paid bags is that you're paying at the point of disposal and will be motivated much more to recycle.

I know it differs by area, but here we can take our ordinary refuse to the municipal recycling depot in non-taxed bags anyway, the taxed ones only being necessary for the sunken bins around the village which need emptying on a regular basis. Hence the logical justification for the bag tax to use them.

I did recently see a council worker fishing out black bags from one of these and going through them to look for evidence of the guilty party, so it's not juts a question of being caught in the act.
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I nearly got a fine a few weeks ago using black trash bags rather then blue.
Police where cruising near recycling center and told me I would have to pay a fine if using black trash bags. After checking on line about trash removal regulation in Locarno County I found out that starting February 2019 BLUE trash bags are necessary. Well blue trash bags 35 L cost CHF 1.10 a piece and black ones about CHF 0.20 which is a approx increase of 80%


What we do is use the normal cheap black bags and accummulate and then put in the large required bags for collection.
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Regarding the fly-tipping, you're joking aren't you?
Certainly grossly over-exaggerating. Tips/ recycling centres only close two days a year and are generally open all day. No need to fly tip.



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There is nothing open or legitimate about fly-tipping, it's an illegal disposing of waste and the kind of thing that causes people to dump trucks of rubbish in the middle of English country roads when no-one is looking.
I sometimes wonder if you confuse swathes of the UK with 1980s inner city sink estates.
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Certainly grossly over-exaggerating. Tips/ recycling centres only close two days a year and are generally open all day. No need to fly tip.
Not sure how to explain this more simply.

Swiss people are not fly-tipping in France, Italy and Germany because the recycling centers are closed here.

They are doing it because they can save a few francs in the cost of paying for their rubbish to be disposed off here and the fines/social stigma of being caught does not exist for them if they do the dumping abroad.
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Certainly grossly over-exaggerating. Tips/ recycling centres only close two days a year and are generally open all day. No need to fly tip.
Generalising much?? How many communes have you lived in, that you think they're all like yours?

Where I live we get three half-days per week in winter, an extra one in summer. Not that it's any excuse for fly tipping, but I confess that I sometimes take stuff I can't put in the village bins over to France when I'm going to the supermarket there. They have much better options for public (sunken bins on the streets) recycling than we have here. And they're much closer than the proper recycling centre on this side.
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A society of snitches, ugh. I'd rather live in eastern europe where police are rightly called dogs and there is a general code of honor that people do not talk to animals.
Wow, but perhaps you happily share your every thought and move with Google, Apple and FB. However when you are in trouble G & A & FB don't move a finger about you so you cry for help to strangers who knows that you treat them like dogs when you are not in need. Good luck living like that! Your life must be easy and happy
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Generalising much?? How many communes have you lived in, that you think they're all like yours?
I was responding to the comment about UK fly tipping. How many posts above mine did you read? In all the places I've lived in the UK (9) the tip/recycling centre/ call it what you will, is open all days bar two.

Tom1234... same for your post. I understand what you mean. I was responding to what I took to be your surprise that a lot of fly tipping happens in the UK.

Glad that's cleared up...
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Not sure how to explain this more simply.

Swiss people are not fly-tipping in France, Italy and Germany because the recycling centers are closed here.

They are doing it because they can save a few francs in the cost of paying for their rubbish to be disposed off here and the fines/social stigma of being caught does not exist for them if they do the dumping abroad.
Why would people in Switzerland (can't really assume they are all "Swiss people") go to the trouble of driving over the border and risk a fine when they can dump their rubbish at a recycling centre for free?

We have a recycling centre 10 mins drive from our place and the border is over an hour away.
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Why would people in Switzerland (can't really assume they are all "Swiss people") go to the trouble of driving over the border and risk a fine when they can dump their rubbish at a recycling centre for free?
It's not free anymore (except in Lugano, and even there only until the end of June).

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Why would people in Switzerland (can't really assume they are all "Swiss people") go to the trouble of driving over the border and risk a fine when they can dump their rubbish at a recycling centre for free?

We have a recycling centre 10 mins drive from our place and the border is over an hour away.
You cannot dump your rubbish for free. You can only dump certain 'recycleable' rubbish for free. The rest has to be pain for, by weight, or in a pre-paid bag.

It's not the free-stuff they're dumping.

And, of course, it goes without saying that they're probably on their shopping trips at the same time.

Are you suggesting the Police reports from three separate countries are being falsified to discredit the Swiss? Really?
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It's not free anymore (except in Lugano, and even there only until the end of June).

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Are we talking about the same recycling centre type place, though?

Ours just has a massive queue on a Saturday morning but you can chuck your stuff for free. Everything from bits of wood to electrics to paper/cardboard/glass, etc. You can't dump food or household waste, though. That needs the magic Zuri bag.

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Are you suggesting the Police reports from three separate countries are being falsified to discredit the Swiss? Really?
No. "Questioning" something does not necessarily mean "disputing" it, although the EF does seem to blur the lines from time to time, eh..?
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