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trailingspousebern 16.09.2019 20:42

New Swiss Watch Question
 
Dear all,

I would like to own a Tag Heuer watch and was able to finalize a few, need to get just 1.

When I check the price on official Tag Heuer website. The price comes for 1500 CHF. However there are other websites with Swiss domain like chronext.ch, I am able to buy that watch for a lot cheaper, around 400-500 less.

I am not sure how can that be a legit watch and if so, how can Tag Heuer make money with a competitor selling their watches 30% cheaper.

Any ideas ?

Chuff 16.09.2019 21:10

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Please provide links to the specific model and stores/pages you are talking about.

Caleb 16.09.2019 21:12

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If it sounds too good to be true, it's probably counterfeit.

Chuff 16.09.2019 21:16

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 3100907)
If it sounds too good to be true, it's probably counterfeit.

Doubtful the watch is a fake. RRP and actual prices vary depending on factors such as if the watches being sold are grey market or not and how lean the operation selling the watch is.

I just Googles Chronext and it has pretty crappy reviews so I wouldn't buy from them anyway.

V__ 16.09.2019 21:27

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Originally Posted by trailingspousebern (Post 3100896)
I am not sure how can that be a legit watch and if so, how can Tag Heuer make money with a competitor selling their watches 30% cheaper.

Any ideas ?

Dealer margins are 40-70% depending on brand. Gray dealers are buying stock in bulk from autorized dealers for the same what they've paid or a bit less just to have turnover.

trailingspousebern 16.09.2019 22:16

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3100906)
Please provide links to the specific model and stores/pages you are talking about.

https://www.tagheuer.com/en-ch/watch...way111a-ba0928


https://www.chronext.ch/tag-heuer/aq...a-ba0928/D1068

st2lemans 16.09.2019 22:30

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 3100907)
If it sounds too good to be true, it's probably counterfeit.

30% off is hardly too good to be true.

Tom

trailingspousebern 16.09.2019 22:36

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3100930)
30% off is hardly too good to be true.

Tom

cheers

similar discounts are also on amazon

Guest 16.09.2019 22:41

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TAG Heuer is not a particularly good brand and doesn't sell so well so big discounts are easily available.


Look at second hand market too, many are brand new but old stock sold with 50 or 60% discount over new models

Jim2007 16.09.2019 22:59

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TAG Heuer is not a particularly good brand
My immediate reaction, would not be particularly exciting by these, but everyone to their own...

Ace1 17.09.2019 00:12

Last time I bought a watch - a Tissot, with some specific functions I wanted - I did so from a UK vendor. who had to get the watch shipped to them from Switzerland, then ship it back to me at my French address. Was something like 30% cheaper than anywhere I could find it in CH, so the sorts of reductions the OP is seeing don't surprise me in the least.

I never quite understand why anyone visiting CH would choose to buy a watch here, when the same item is almost always going to be cheaper elsewhere. Then again, I don't really get the idea of expensive or flashy watches per se. , so clearly there's something I'm missing there.

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Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 3100942)
My immediate reaction, would not be particularly exciting by these, but everyone to their own...

It's a watch - it's not going to be "exciting" whatever the brand name is.

Chuff 17.09.2019 06:04

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Originally Posted by trailingspousebern (Post 3100933)
cheers

similar discounts are also on amazon

Is your budget 1500chf? What are you looking for in a watch exactly? Automatic should be a given, but do you want a daily watch that can stand up to abuse like a divers watch? Something that can dress up or down?

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TAG Heuer is not a particularly good brand and doesn't sell so well so big discounts are easily available.

Look at second hand market too, many are brand new but old stock sold with 50 or 60% discount over new models
Tag isn't "bad", but they are very mainstream and have turned very gimmicky over the years and on average they lose about half the value the moment you take them out of the shop. Buying them used makes more sense.

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Originally Posted by Ace1 (Post 3100950)
I never quite understand why anyone visiting CH would choose to buy a watch here, when the same item is almost always going to be cheaper elsewhere. Then again, I don't really get the idea of expensive or flashy watches per se. , so clearly there's something I'm missing there.

It's a watch - it's not going to be "exciting" whatever the brand name is.

Speak for yourself, some of us are watch lovers! Plus if you are buying retail with full warranty then Switzerland prices are actually ok depending on the brand. Tissot get big discounts worldwide but other brands don't. :)

jamon8 17.09.2019 11:29

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CHF 1.6k for a quartz watch? :eek:

ipoddle 17.09.2019 11:39

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Cheap... this is a proper Quartz watch.. a bargain at $3k

https://www.grand-seiko.com/us-en/collections/sbgn009g

Don Molina 17.09.2019 11:42

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check chrono24 and filter for swiss shops, you should get many alternatives.

Getting good prices online is a given in the watch world, even for new stuff. Jomashop in the US is a typical example where you can get entry level stuff like Hamilton for very decent discounts.

Lastly, Tag is a great brand, lots of heritage, some great watches, and they make their own movements - an Aquaracer is a great beginner watch

porsch1909 17.09.2019 11:48

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https://www.creationwatches.com/prod...tch-11701.html

I've always had good experiences with creation watches. It's definitely grey market and I think they ship from Singapore, so you will probably have to pay import duties.

Also, if you like a Tag watch then get a Tag watch. They are nice watches. I have one and love it. I almost feel like it's fashionable to hate on Tag because it's popular.

Chuff 18.09.2019 06:43

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Originally Posted by Don Molina (Post 3101061)
Lastly, Tag is a great brand, lots of heritage, some great watches, and they make their own movements - an Aquaracer is a great beginner watch

Not as a quartz, it isn't. As an automatic, for 2200chf it is also extremely overpriced.

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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 3101063)
https://www.creationwatches.com/prod...tch-11701.html

I've always had good experiences with creation watches. It's definitely grey market and I think they ship from Singapore, so you will probably have to pay import duties.

Also, if you like a Tag watch then get a Tag watch. They are nice watches. I have one and love it. I almost feel like it's fashionable to hate on Tag because it's popular.

I wouldn't say it is fashionable to hate Tag, but as you build more knowledge of watches and what is out there you learn that there are certainly better options for the money. I think Tag is a run-of-the-mill brand in terms of design and quality, overpriced and riding on the coat tails of past glories.

porsch1909 18.09.2019 10:14

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3101305)

I wouldn't say it is fashionable to hate Tag, but as you build more knowledge of watches and what is out there you learn that there are certainly better options for the money. I think Tag is a run-of-the-mill brand in terms of design and quality, overpriced and riding on the coat tails of past glories.

That's fine and it's your opinion. But the OP didn't even ask about our opinion on the watch. Just about websites to buy it.

We don't know why the OP wants a Tag, but they obviously seem to be keen on one rather than other brands. Again, if OP wants a Tag then they should get a Tag. Frankly I think it's rude for people to shit on his choice when he's not even asked for our opinion. Even worse is Ace1 who is shitting on anyone who likes a nice watch.

Tom1234 18.09.2019 10:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Molina (Post 3101061)
- an Aquaracer is a great beginner watch


That had me bemused. What is a beginner watch?

Do you mean something like this:

https://media.jelmoli-shop.ch/i/empiriecom/29749769

Chuff 18.09.2019 10:43

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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 3101372)
That's fine and it's your opinion. But the OP didn't even ask about our opinion on the watch. Just about websites to buy it.

We don't know why the OP wants a Tag, but they obviously seem to be keen on one rather than other brands. Again, if OP wants a Tag then they should get a Tag. Frankly I think it's rude for people to shit on his choice when he's not even asked for our opinion. Even worse is Ace1 who is shitting on anyone who likes a nice watch.

Don't get your knickers in an irrational twist because someone dares to criticise your favourite watch brand. No-one is "shitting on his choice" we are informing him why it's not necessarily a good choice and that other alternatives which he may not know about but may like are available, and normal adults can deal with that kind of stuff (except you obviously who seems to feel outrage on his behalf due to your own emotional investment in Tag as an owner).

In the end it's a public forum and the OP presumably has little knowledge about watches (otherwise he wouldn't be looking at a 1600chf quartz for his first watch), which is why those of us with more experience will feel free to chip in and offer him helpful and constructive advice. :)

porsch1909 18.09.2019 10:55

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3101391)
Don't get your knickers in an irrational twist because someone dares to criticise your favourite watch brand. No-one is "shitting on his choice" we are informing him why it's not necessarily a good choice and that other alternatives which he may not know about but may like are available, and normal adults can deal with that kind of stuff (except you obviously who seems to feel outrage on his behalf due to your own emotional investment in Tag as an owner)

In the end it's a public forum and the OP clearly has little knowledge about watches (otherwise he wouldn't be looking at a 1600chf quartz), which is why those of us with more experience will feel free to chip in and offer him advice. Deal with it. :)

I never said it was my favourite brand. All I said was that I have a Tag watch and I love it. I guess reading comprehension wasn't your best subject at school.


It's nothing to do with my emotional investment in anything. I don't emotionally invest in brands like you may. But the OP didn't ask our opinion. It happens all the time on EF and other forums. He asked about grey market websites and then we have 'Chuff who is too good for a TAG and an expert in everything' giving his unwanted opinion.

Also I don't understand how a 4.8 star rating after over 1700 review is bad from Chronext?

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/chronext.com

Chuff 18.09.2019 11:07

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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 3101395)
I never said it was my favourite brand. All I said was that I have a Tag watch and I love it. I guess reading comprehension wasn't your best subject at school.

It's nothing to do with my emotional investment in anything. I don't emotionally invest in brands like you may. But the OP didn't ask our opinion. It happens all the time on EF and other forums. He asked about grey market websites and then we have 'Chuff who is too good for a TAG and an expert in everything' giving his unwanted opinion.

Again, he doesn't have to ask for an opinion to get one, this is not complicated logic. Your overreaction and choice of language/petty and baseless insults are an obvious contradition to what you write... you are very clearly bothered by what I wrote and are throwing your toys out of your e-pram (as usual), so lets not pretend otherwise.

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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 3101395)
Also I don't understand how a 4.8 star rating after over 1700 review is bad from Chronext?

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/chronext.com

Every bad review specifically points to terrible customer service and communication in the area of after-sales when it has been needed (which most people don't usually need unless there's a problem). The positive reviews are from people who purchased and never needed the additional customer service. The Google reviews have a similar theme.

porsch1909 18.09.2019 11:17

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3101401)
Again, he doesn't have to ask for an opinion to get one, this is not complicated logic. Your overreaction and choice of language/petty and baseless insults are an obvious contradition to what you write... you are very clearly bothered by what I wrote and are throwing your toys out of your e-pram (as usual), so lets not pretend otherwise.



Every bad review specifically points to terrible customer service and communication in the area of after-sales when it has been needed (which most people don't usually need unless there's a problem). The positive reviews are from people who purchased and never needed the additional customer service. The Google reviews have a similar theme.

Your lack of self awareness is astounding.

I'm petty when you are making stuff up about me (favourite watch brand?), using language like 'knickers in an irrational twist' 'Deal with it' (yes I got in before your edit) 'normal adults'.

Again, nothing to do with what you're saying about the watch brand. Just a mini-rant about 'he doesn't have to ask for an opinion to get one'

Chuff 18.09.2019 11:19

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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 3101406)
Your lack of self awareness is astounding.

I'm petty when you are making stuff up about me (favourite watch brand?), using language like 'knickers in an irrational twist' 'Deal with it' (yes I got in before your edit) 'normal adults'.

Again, nothing to do with what you're saying about the watch brand. Just a mini-rant about 'he doesn't have to ask for an opinion to get one'

Lets just agree to disagree and end it there. :)

Ace1 18.09.2019 11:39

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3101407)
Lets just agree to disagree and end it there. :)

Yes. Please.

Don Molina 18.09.2019 14:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 3101381)
That had me bemused. What is a beginner watch?

Do you mean something like this:

https://media.jelmoli-shop.ch/i/empiriecom/29749769


Some people buy their first "nice" or "interesting" or "whatever" watch, and then go on to buy some more either by trading or by making a collection.

A respectable brand like Tag with a respectable tool watch like the Aquaracer is a good way to get into watches, regardless of quartz or automatic.


BTW, I wouldn't mind owning the right quartz watch. For example Grand Seiko is doing some spectacular things with quartz, things much more interesting than a run-of-the-mill 4hz movement from ETA... I'm not saying that a quartz Aquaracer is the right watch, but let's don't disregard quartz completely either.

Chuff 18.09.2019 15:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Molina (Post 3101482)
Some people buy their first "nice" or "interesting" or "whatever" watch, and then go on to buy some more either by trading or by making a collection.

A respectable brand like Tag with a respectable tool watch like the Aquaracer is a good way to get into watches, regardless of quartz or automatic.


BTW, I wouldn't mind owning the right quartz watch. For example Grand Seiko is doing some spectacular things with quartz, things much more interesting than a run-of-the-mill 4hz movement from ETA... I'm not saying that a quartz Aquaracer is the right watch, but let's don't disregard quartz completely either.

If you buy a quartz you may as well just spend a couple of hundred francs because they are already incredibly accurate even without Grand Seikos advancements. Spending a couple of grand on one is just lunacy. A quartz Aquaracer as a first watch is often a direct pathway to regret the moment you realise that you have wasted your money and start wanting an automatic.

fatmanfilms 18.09.2019 15:31

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3101492)
If you buy a quartz you may as well just spend a couple of hundred francs because they are already incredibly accurate even without Grand Seikos advancements. Spending a couple of grand on one is just lunacy. A quartz Aquaracer as a first watch is often a direct pathway to regret the moment you realise that you have wasted your money and start wanting an automatic.

Until you drop your expensive automatic or need to service, can easily run 500 CHF, way more for an Omega or let alone a Rolex. I have a early Raymond Weil quartz from the 1980's only ever needed a battery.

Chuff 18.09.2019 16:08

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3101493)
Until you drop your expensive automatic or need to service, can easily run 500 CHF, way more for an Omega or let alone a Rolex. I have a early Raymond Weil quartz from the 1980's only ever needed a battery.

Yup it is certainly more expensive to maintain an automatic in terms of servicing (usually only needed every 5-10 years and some go even longer without needing it), but then again the difference in complexity between a quartz movement and a mechanical movement is significant.

if you just want to buy watch to tell the time then buy a cheaper quartz. If you want a timepiece of worth with a mechanically beating heart that you will only grow to love and appreciate the more you own it (and accept the smaller inconveniences like less accuracy and manual date changes) then buy an automatic.

Ace1 18.09.2019 16:33

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3101492)
A quartz Aquaracer as a first watch is often a direct pathway to regret the moment you realise that you have wasted your money and that spending more than a couple of hundred francs on a watch is simply a hobby for people with too much money to burn.

Fixed that for you.

Edit: I see from your next post that you basically agree with this. Fair enough.
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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3101507)
if you just want to buy watch to tell the time then buy a cheaper quartz. If you want a timepiece of worth with a mechanically beating heart that you will only grow to love and appreciate the more you own it (and accept the smaller inconveniences like less accuracy and manual date changes) then buy an automatic.


LuganoPirate 18.09.2019 16:35

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It's hard to say if it's a fake or not, except the fakes are usually the more expensive watches, such as Breitling, Rolex etc.

You could always check with Tag if they know the seller, or have them check the serial number. Also, but with a credit card that has purchase insurance included just in case.

Whichever, enjoy your new watch.

trailingspousebern 18.09.2019 22:38

Re: New Swiss Watch Question
 
Got me a while to go through all the comments.

Full disclosure, I dont know anything about the watch industry. However, it is my wife who would want me to have a watch for my birthday and she wanted me to chose 1.

I might be a person whom you can say is a simpleton. So I chose that watch(among few others) just because I liked how they looked, nothing more. I am not a fan of automatic watches so want to go for Quartz.

I do intend to take a Tag Heuer for sentimental reasons I donot want to share in a public forum and have decided to buy TAG HEUER FORMULA 1 CALIBRE 5 in Germany and have found a dealer giving a 30% discount and in line with https://www.chronext.ch/

https://www.chronext.ch/tag-heuer/fo...RoCgfsQAvD_BwE

https://www.tagheuer.com/de-ch/uhren...hoCXSsQAvD_BwE

ipoddle 19.09.2019 14:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3101492)
If you buy a quartz you may as well just spend a couple of hundred francs because they are already incredibly accurate even without Grand Seikos advancements. Spending a couple of grand on one is just lunacy. A quartz Aquaracer as a first watch is often a direct pathway to regret the moment you realise that you have wasted your money and start wanting an automatic.

So I'm a lunatic ? Many would agree.. but knowing why a GS 9F86 is worth the money wouldn't be one of the reasons.

Don Molina 19.09.2019 15:07

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Originally Posted by ipoddle (Post 3101852)
So I'm a lunatic ? Many would agree.. but knowing why a GS 9F86 is worth the money wouldn't be one of the reasons.

I wanted to answer as well, but couldn't be bothered to explain to someone that views watches in what seems to be a completely different way than me (and you), and wouldn't understand.

Automatic watches (for me) are great not because they're "automatic", but because of what that actually means. They are mechanical contraptions, with deliberate design, achieving something great in a limited amount of space. There are quartz movements that have hundreds of moving parts, more complicated from a mechanical standpoint than many automatic movements, and that are temples to accuracy and precision. The 5-pointed star version of the movement above is a masterpiece and I would love to get a sport GMT that I consider to be a far superior and more interesting watch than just another Explorer...

ipoddle 19.09.2019 16:24

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Originally Posted by Don Molina (Post 3101870)
I wanted to answer as well, but couldn't be bothered to explain to someone that views watches in what seems to be a completely different way than me (and you), and wouldn't understand.

Automatic watches (for me) are great not because they're "automatic", but because of what that actually means. They are mechanical contraptions, with deliberate design, achieving something great in a limited amount of space. There are quartz movements that have hundreds of moving parts, more complicated from a mechanical standpoint than many automatic movements, and that are temples to accuracy and precision. The 5-pointed star version of the movement above is a masterpiece and I would love to get a sport GMT that I consider to be a far superior and more interesting watch than just another Explorer...

My limited edition, GS quartz GMT does have a little gold star. Just saying ;)

NickGB 19.09.2019 18:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by trailingspousebern (Post 3101637)
Got me a while to go through all the comments.

Full disclosure, I dont know anything about the watch industry. However, it is my wife who would want me to have a watch for my birthday and she wanted me to chose 1.

I might be a person whom you can say is a simpleton. So I chose that watch(among few others) just because I liked how they looked, nothing more. I am not a fan of automatic watches so want to go for Quartz.

I do intend to take a Tag Heuer for sentimental reasons I donot want to share in a public forum and have decided to buy TAG HEUER FORMULA 1 CALIBRE 5 in Germany and have found a dealer giving a 30% discount and in line with https://www.chronext.ch/

https://www.chronext.ch/tag-heuer/fo...RoCgfsQAvD_BwE

https://www.tagheuer.com/de-ch/uhren...hoCXSsQAvD_BwE


Good for you. Hope you enjoy it! Nice looking watch. (Quartz or not!) I was very tempted, however, to suggest a limited edition Bucherer Tag Heuer: https://www.bucherer.com/ch/de/uhren...6pfMi_yHqGlwYM

Phil_MCR 19.09.2019 20:28

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This thread has been a huge waste of my time. I started looking at watches, then came across one that was WR to 2000m! Then I wondered what happens to the human body at 2000m and started reading a whole lot of stuff about that. I want the last 2 hours of my life back! :msnmad:

eyebeebe 20.09.2019 10:06

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 3101957)
This thread has been a huge waste of my time. I started looking at watches, then came across one that was WR to 2000m! Then I wondered what happens to the human body at 2000m and started reading a whole lot of stuff about that. I want the last 2 hours of my life back! :msnmad:

I saw the preview of this post on the homepage and I just knew it would be a post from you!

Chuff 20.09.2019 10:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by trailingspousebern (Post 3101637)
Got me a while to go through all the comments.

Full disclosure, I dont know anything about the watch industry. However, it is my wife who would want me to have a watch for my birthday and she wanted me to chose 1.

I might be a person whom you can say is a simpleton. So I chose that watch(among few others) just because I liked how they looked, nothing more. I am not a fan of automatic watches so want to go for Quartz.

I do intend to take a Tag Heuer for sentimental reasons I donot want to share in a public forum and have decided to buy TAG HEUER FORMULA 1 CALIBRE 5 in Germany and have found a dealer giving a 30% discount and in line with https://www.chronext.ch/

https://www.chronext.ch/tag-heuer/fo...RoCgfsQAvD_BwE

https://www.tagheuer.com/de-ch/uhren...hoCXSsQAvD_BwE

Well, in the end it's your money and your choice and you have to buy something that speaks to you for whatever reason, so I hope you enjoy it and wear it in good health. :)

trailingspousebern 31.10.2019 13:01

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Hi All,

Did not buy the TH. Went to Germany, wore it, didnt like it.

Still looking, perhaps one day I find what I am looking for

For now, there is this watch I saw, way beyond my comfort from a price standpoint and its automatic

https://www.breitling.com/ch-en/watc...A13315351C1P1/

https://www.chrono24.ch/breitling/pr...id12749334.htm

The price different is appalling 45% cheaper. Does it even make sense ?


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