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Old 28.11.2019, 17:33
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

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Seems to me he is desperate for business and hopes to frighten you, as a foreigner, into paying. Besides CHF 900 to make an offer is outrageous.

Firmly resist paying as others have suggested, and if he does issue a "Betreibung" then you must immediately make an objection, and state your reason for doing so. It will eventually go to a hearing but i doubt he'll go to the extra expense of issuing one. But you must make your objections to his invoice and you must do it by registered mail, keeping copies. It will be useful if you also ask for proof of delivery, though i think now with the Post app you can see this is and keep a record of it.
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I really think he should go back to Ofri in the first instance. That may prevent all this.
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Old 28.11.2019, 17:41
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

"Firmly resist paying as others have suggested"

Yes, I agree, but getting advice from OFRI who will likely confirm he does not have to pay, and then not objecting to the invoice could make him liable by default.

He was worried about a betreibung, so my advice was also what to do if the carpenter should issue one.
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Old 28.11.2019, 18:07
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

This carpenter sees an opportunity to rip off a foreigner. What nationality is the carpenter?
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This carpenter sees an opportunity to rip off a foreigner. What nationality is the carpenter?
Australian I'd say.
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

The guy who sent the invoice must be believing in socialist propaganda which says that you should be paid for moving your fingers. This seems to be quite widespread in Switzerland. One of the flavors of this ideology is that people doing chores at home should be paid accordingly, because they work.

Probably the guy did the work and considered he has to be paid so he sent you the invoice.
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Old 28.11.2019, 21:59
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

Why not send him a bill for chf 1200 for all of your time and effort spent to arrange for him to come by but then not making an offer that you liked.

Call him and raise him, he'll fold.
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Old 28.11.2019, 22:08
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

I called him 20 times. He didn't answer. Only replies on what's app. Last night he video called on what's app and shouted for 2-3 seconds and then switched off.
Also sent me a what's app message that he will find contact of my firm where I work and lodge a complaint with my boss
Really strange
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Old 28.11.2019, 22:44
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

Who is Almirah, your girlfriend?

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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

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What nationality is the carpenter?
What difference does it make?
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

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I called him 20 times. He didn't answer. Only replies on what's app. Last night he video called on what's app and shouted for 2-3 seconds and then switched off.
Also sent me a what's app message that he will find contact of my firm where I work and lodge a complaint with my boss
Really strange
Well certainly its time for you to get to the police. His threats should be taken seriously and reported-even if he might be an Australian!
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I called him 20 times. He didn't answer. Only replies on what's app. Last night he video called on what's app and shouted for 2-3 seconds and then switched off.
Also sent me a what's app message that he will find contact of my firm where I work and lodge a complaint with my boss
Really strange
LOL, You could try to overload him with friendly emails hoping that eventually you get some nice insults in return after which you can file a police report to squeeze some money out of him. Also if he contacts your boss also file a report. Just stay Gentle and overly friendly towards him, and slam him down using official ways if he crosses lines. (As in, try to get some fun out of it.)

PS: Stop calling, and use a registered form of communication like email or post.
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Old 29.11.2019, 11:21
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

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LOL, You could try to overload him with friendly emails hoping that eventually you get some nice insults in return after which you can file a police report to squeeze some money out of him. Also if he contacts your boss also file a report. Just stay Gentle and overly friendly towards him, and slam him down using official ways if he crosses lines. (As in, try to get some fun out of it.)

PS: Stop calling, and use a registered form of communication like email or post.
He should simply forget about the whole thing. Its a shit scam. Move on with your life! ( is the carpenter Swiss maybe? )
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He should simply forget about the whole thing. Its a shit scam. Move on with your life! ( is the carpenter Swiss maybe? )
The thing with being harassed is that ignoring is not the solution. I'm sure plenty of people tried to ignore you on EF, yet here you are.
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I called him 20 times. He didn't answer. Only replies on what's app. Last night he video called on what's app and shouted for 2-3 seconds and then switched off.
Also sent me a what's app message that he will find contact of my firm where I work and lodge a complaint with my boss
Really strange
Leave a factual review of him on Ofri, something like "We found the price of CHF 900.- for a simple quotation for XYZ-work far too high." or something like that.

No emotion, just facts. That will maybe save other people from a similar experience.
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Old 29.11.2019, 11:31
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I really think he should go back to Ofri in the first instance. That may prevent all this.
Yes and get him kicked off there. Maybe we can get his contacts and have a few EF members get some additional free quotes from him
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Old 29.11.2019, 11:38
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

I would not worry about him going to your boss. I'd suggest telling your boss first who may be understanding and give some helpful advice. In similar circumstances I'd certainly do the same for my employees.

One final thing you could do, is report him to the police for harassment telling them you're worried by his threats. They may have a quiet word with him and that will likely put an end to it.
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

There are two sides to these types of issues. There are those who are looking for services and squeeze the person or persons providing the services. These people will waste the time of the provider. They need to understand that time is of value which includes travelling time. Remember you get what you pay for.

The other side there are many service providers now adays who do over charge. Three are service providers who are inexperienced or do not have the proper licensing. Also there are many who say they can do things they can not.And there are providers from outside the country who do not have the proper licensing and do not know the requirements. There work maybe not very good and unsafe.

So if you are someone who is looking for a provider then do your homework. Check out their experience and licensing. They may have the licences but not the experience.
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

Hi All,

Well I am a professional carpenter myself and run my own small business, as I had to fight with many employers in the past on a political base. I had the chance too start my own business and I am quite happy it's going well having my own clients as well as sub-contracting. I have slowly started setting up my own name after 2 years. I decided that I won't go on ofri or renovero, for a few reasons, to compete with many companies on various offers I have no time to do that as I make my salary by going on jobs. My clientele are all very happy, once in a while it does not work with a client, but that's life, the connection between the tradesman and the client is important.

Coming up to the discussion here about what to do with offers, it takes a lot of time to make an offer and every offer is unique not one offer is the same.
I recently had a client where I had wrote an offer 3 times. We all need to have our salary, and not work for less, just to get the job.
I am good at what I do and expect to have a fair salary from my services. I can change a offer once, but not more then 3.
So how do I cover my time for changing an offer. Is it worth the fight and charge. Or do I inform the client first. Or just walk away. I work on having fair rates for my clients. I spend up to 6 hours of my time of setting up the offer.

Think how you do your work and make offers. sell your services.....
This is why I don't use ofri or renovero. If you as a client like my work and are happy with my services, then I will have a referral, then that's a step ahead for me, then we can look forward together and create a good relationship, your happy and I am happy.

My moto is to be simple, easy
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

I am not here to promote or make an Ad of my services.
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Old 30.11.2019, 14:46
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

I groaned the OP simply because he was asking MANY (his words) carpenters to waste their time taking measurements and submitting offers.

I felt this was an abuse of skilled labourers on the OP's part. A few offers is fine but MANY? He sounds like a client from hell.

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