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Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

Hi all,
I went to Ofri to check carpenter offers. Many carpenters visited my apartment and gave final offers.
One of the carpenter was forcing me to take his offer. I didn't like his offer anyways so I rejected it.

In frustration he send me a bill of 900chf and mentioned that he came to my house and prepared offer. This is bill for that.
Now no where I confirmed him that to get an offer he will charge me 900chf.
All the other carpenters who visited home just gave offers.
Only one guy cheated. What to do next with the bill?
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

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Hi all,
I went to Ofri to check carpenter offers. Many carpenters visited my apartment and gave final offers.
One of the carpenter was forcing me to take his offer. I didn't like his offer anyways so I rejected it.

In frustration he send me a bill of 900chf and mentioned that he came to my house and prepared offer. This is bill for that.
Now no where I confirmed him that to get an offer he will charge me 900chf.
All the other carpenters who visited home just gave offers.
Only one guy cheated. What to do next with the bill?
dont pay there is no contract of service. we have this too occasionally, just tell them there is no contract. if he pushes it just ask him to send across the contract of work agreeing the payment for preparing the quote.
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

First make sure you have read and understood the terms of Ofri, and of that particular carpenter's ad/conditions, according to what he wrote on Ofri. If you are sure there really is nothing in there about his fees for making an offer, write to the carpenter saying:

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Dear Sir
I received your bill dated DATE in the amount of Fr. 900.
As I did not give you any order to perform any work for me, I am not liable to pay this.

Yours sincerely
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If the carpenter then writes any further bill, reminder, letter or demand, then send
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Dear Sir
I received your bill dated DATE in the amount of Fr. 900, and your reminder bill dated DATE.

As I did not give you any order to perform any work for me, I am not liable to pay this.

If you are of the opinion that I owe you money, please provide full documentation of any agreement between us to that effect.

Yours sincerely
YOURNAME
Do not send this letter by e-mail.
Send Letter One on paper, in an envelope.
If you end up needing to send Letter Two, then send it on paper, in an envelope, sent Registered Mail at the Post Office.

I hope that settles is. Please come back and let us know what happened. Thanks.
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

Thankw, Only thing I am worried is that this guy raises a Betreibung. Then what I have to do.

There is no written contract that I pay for offer preparation.
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

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There is no written contract that I pay for offer preparation.
It doesn't need to be written.

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It doesn't need to be written.

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True, but who claims has the burden of proof.
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First make sure you have read and understood the terms of Ofri, and of that particular carpenter's ad/conditions, according to what he wrote on Ofri.
This.

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First make sure you have read and understood the terms of Ofri, and of that particular carpenter's ad/conditions, according to what he wrote on Ofri.
It may be worth the OP contacting Ofri (if the terms and conditions are unclear) and possibly, after clarification, making a complaint about the carpenter and getting the demands withdrawn.

Other web companies offering such services expect the quotes to be free.

Any tradesman worth considering would not consider offering a quote, without visiting the premises first to give an accurate quote (unless for a very simple job).
The fact that they don't get paid for these quotes is a business decision they need to make weighed against the extra work they receive through using such web companies.
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

You can also call: 044 520 51 64 and ask Ofri about this practice off one of their members.

Their site nowhere mentions costs for offers and clearly mentions on the homepage that offers are free.

So unless this guy made it very clear upfront to you that there would be costs associated with making an offer he can kiss his bill goodbye.

I'd say he is just a scam. 900,- for a single visit and an offer? What did you ask for?
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

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True, but who claims has the burden of proof.

The fact the carpenter was their, can accurately describe the work that was requested, describe the actual place, know the name of the person occupying the space, tend sot suggest he may have been their once or twice.....
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

https://www.ofri.ch/how_it_works_for_employer


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Auftraggeber - so geht's
Ofri hat für Sie die beste Lösung konzipiert, damit Sie einfach und bequem die richtige Person für Ihren Auftrag finden. In wenigen Minuten können Sie einen Auftrag eingeben und erhalten kostenlos sowie unverbindlich Offerten von interessierten Anbietern.
Schritt 1: Auftrag eingeben

Einfach Auftragsbeschreibung eingeben und Offertanfrage starten. Sie erhalten darauf Angebote von interessierten Anbietern. Offene Punkte können Sie mit den Auftragnehmern über den Fragen- und Antworten-Bereich klären.

Schritt 2: Auftrag vergeben

Wählen Sie die beste Offerte aus und lassen Sie den Auftragnehmer die Arbeit ausführen. Die Offerten sind kostenlos und unverbindlich, wenn Sie keine passende gefunden haben müssen Sie keine auswählen.

Schritt 3: Auftragnehmer bewerten

Nach Ausführung der Arbeiten können Sie den Auftragnehmer bewerten. So helfen Sie anderen Mitgliedern von Ofri gute und zuverlässige Anbieter zu finden.

Das ist schon alles. Schauen Sie sich doch einige aktuelle Auftragsanfragen an und sehen, wie einfach es ist auf Ofri die richtige Person für ihren Auftrag zu finden. Oder geben Sie gleich Ihren Auftrag ein.
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

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The fact the carpenter was their, can accurately describe the work that was requested, describe the actual place, know the name of the person occupying the space, tend sot suggest he may have been their once or twice.....
I don't think anyone's denying this.
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

Edwin N L was asking who had burden of proof
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Proof as in that he made the customer aware of the costs involved in making the offer when declined.

That he was there and made an offer is disputed by nobody, the dispute is about if the costs are fair, and this is for the carpenter to proof since he makes the claim.
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

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I wasn't asking.
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

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I'd say he is just a scam. 900,- for a single visit and an offer? What did you ask for?
You are right it is a scam and should be reported to the police as such.... had one of those years ago when doing up the house and it went away PDQ once the builder understood what would happen if he did not send me written confirmation that no such amount was due and that the 'mistake' was all on his side.
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

He has no proof about the costs. He didn't told before. He is just frustrated that I am not giving him the contract.
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

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He has no proof about the costs. He didn't told before. He is just frustrated that I am not giving him the contract.
Simply threaten him that you will report the matter to the police if he continues. Write a letter to him and it must be sent registered mail
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

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Proof as in that he made the customer aware of the costs involved in making the offer when declined.

That he was there and made an offer is disputed by nobody, the dispute is about if the costs are fair, and this is for the carpenter to proof since he makes the claim.
None of this matters.

Tradespeople offering quotes through Ofri are required to give free quotes.


Of course if they have any business accumen, they'll cover the time and effort involved in this in their per-hour rate or by some other means.
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Re: Carpenter Cheated: Sent invoice of I didn't accepted his offer for Almirah

Seems to me he is desperate for business and hopes to frighten you, as a foreigner, into paying. Besides CHF 900 to make an offer is outrageous.

Firmly resist paying as others have suggested, and if he does issue a "Betreibung" then you must immediately make an objection, and state your reason for doing so. It will eventually go to a hearing but i doubt he'll go to the extra expense of issuing one. But you must make your objections to his invoice and you must do it by registered mail, keeping copies. It will be useful if you also ask for proof of delivery, though i think now with the Post app you can see this is and keep a record of it.

You've nothing to fear from the betreibung unless you are made to pay and don't do so. It will not go against you at this stage.
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