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Old 14.01.2020, 15:29
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I think what he meant was, for example, a Swiss-made 60cm wide built in oven can have the same size interior (capacity) as the same manufacturer's 55cm oven but with a 5cm wider fascia.

I have seen this before in the past but not sure it is still the case.
Swiss norm is a 55 cm wide inside space for any appliance and cabinet.

Euro norm is a 60 cm wide front space.
Pure Euro norm ovens need an inside space of around 56 to 57 cm.
Euro norm dishwasher need an inside space of around 59 to 60 cm.

The beauty of the Swiss norm is that you can easily convert a cabinet into a dishwasher, fridge or oven. Or swap place of oven and dishwasher (do not know who will do that, but you could).

With most appliance the width does not make a real difference. The only appliance where in my opinion width is actually important is the fridge. First, it is not easy to add extra cooled storage space, second it is neat when you can put a whole backing tray in the fridge.

One thing which also boggle my mind: Why place the hottest appliance right next to the coldest appliance?
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Old 14.01.2020, 15:50
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Swiss norm is a 55 cm wide inside space for any appliance and cabinet.

Euro norm is a 60 cm wide front space.
Pure Euro norm ovens need an inside space of around 56 to 57 cm.
Euro norm dishwasher need an inside space of around 59 to 60 cm.

The beauty of the Swiss norm is that you can easily convert a cabinet into a dishwasher, fridge or oven. Or swap place of oven and dishwasher (do not know who will do that, but you could).
You could drink a whole bottle of washing-up detergent. Do not know who will do that, but you could.
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Old 14.01.2020, 16:01
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Standard Swiss prices, though. Around 30% more expensive than buying the same product online in France (and I assume Germany).#

https://www.mp-hausgeraete.ch/de/ges...k25e203eu.html
https://www.cdiscount.com/electromen...noxpb-_-285923
Strange, when I did our kitchen they were cheaper than anything else I could find (it is a German company for the record, despite the .ch domain).
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Old 14.01.2020, 16:11
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Reclaim French VAT more than twice the Swiss VAT, worth 10 minutes I would have thought.
not sure how easy/possible it is to reclaim vat on something you mail ordered and got delivered to a supermarket. but then there is the issue of fitting it inside the car (or hiring a van to move it). and the driving etc. may add up to 1 hour plus in the end.

i guess if you save several hundred € it might still be worthwhile...
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not sure how easy/possible it is to reclaim vat on something you mail ordered and got delivered to a supermarket. but then there is the issue of fitting it inside the car (or hiring a van to move it). and the driving etc. may add up to 1 hour plus in the end.

i guess if you save several hundred € it might still be worthwhile...
Depending on what you agree on upfront with the store it should be super easy: stamp form which is attached to package at border, send form or copy to store, get money back on bank account.

One spends easily 3K on appliances, so that would be 500,- return. Swiss VAT has to be paid anyway and at the border you only pay the 7,7% on the items and no topping up from any delivery service and no VAT on delivery costs, and domestic shipping costs from the store instead of international. I can't look into someone else his/her agenda and bank account as for time and money, but it could accumulate to a nice saving.
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Avoid Fust like a plague. After 2 years there are still issues that they either refuse to fix, or don’t have the pieces.
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