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How to check if a physical document is backdated or not? Are there any labs that do it? If so, could you name a few?
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How to check if a physical document is backdated or not? Are there any labs that do it? If so, could you name a few?
Backdated by a week of 50 years?
I think you have been watching to much SiFi American TV
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Backdated by a week of 50 years?
I think you have been watching to much SiFi American TV
6 months. Haha true

There are some labs that do them. Some forensic labs.

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How to check if a physical document is backdated or not? Are there any labs that do it? If so, could you name a few?
I guess the foreign police would have or know of labs who do this.
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Re: Check backdated document

The forensic institute of the zurich police probably can do it. Otherwise look for urkundenlabor. But it's probably best to do this stuff through a lawyer.
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Backdating a document is all but equal to tampering with a document.

No clue what exactly you are asking or what you want to achieve.
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No clue what exactly you are asking or what you want to achieve.
Often things are back dated, contracts, changes to contracts, even leaving Switzerland. Nothing is tampered with just the date on the contract is not the actual date it was signed but when the terms were agreed.
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Often things are back dated, contracts, changes to contracts, even leaving Switzerland. Nothing is tampered with just the date on the contract is not the actual date it was signed but when the terms were agreed.
I already said they are different matters
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I'm pretty sure that Raymond Reddington has connections that can help you.
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Not for the first time, I have absolutely no idea what this thread is about...
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Re: Check backdated document

I found this one. They seem to do it but they only do if it is through a lawyer or an order by the court


https://www.unil.ch/esc/fr/home/menu...s--signat.html


It is called Questioned Documents in legal terms I guess. For instance, you are supposed to raise a claim by a certain date but you forgot to do it and then you were penalized. You could create a backdated document dated before the deadline and say that I have raised the claim before the deadline. Then the other party requests the court to verify if the document is backdated or not. The forensic people do it using ink dating technology and other advanced methods.
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Re: Check backdated document

The document it self is only one part. Proof of delivery is the other.

For time limits neither date of signing, nor date of posting the letter is important (save exceptions where date of postage stamp is relevant). Important is the date the letter was in the potential reach of the recipient (Empfangssphäre).

If you cannot proof the letter was in the potential reach of the recipient you will lose. The most common proof is the proof of delivery of a registered letter. Such a letter was in the reach of the recipient at the day they signed for it or in absent of that the first working day they could get the letter at the post office (with some exceptions extending this period to the last day they could get the letter from the post office).

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Then the other party requests the court to verify if the document is backdated or not. The forensic people do it using ink dating technology and other advanced methods.
In a civil case the court won't do shit. All the leg work has to be done by the claimant and defendant.
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Re: Check backdated document

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Backdating a document is all but equal to tampering with a document.

No clue what exactly you are asking or what you want to achieve.
Two possibilities:
1 - he wants to backdate something in order to lie/take advantage of a situation and wants to know how likely he is to get caught, or

2- he thinks someone sent him a backdated document and would like to test it to prove the other party is in the wrong. But I'm not sure much would be gained from this in the long run, financially or otherwise.

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I found this one. They seem to do it but they only do if it is through a lawyer or an order by the court

https://www.unil.ch/esc/fr/home/menu...s--signat.html

It is called Questioned Documents in legal terms I guess. For instance, you are supposed to raise a claim by a certain date but you forgot to do it and then you were penalized. You could create a backdated document dated before the deadline and say that I have raised the claim before the deadline. Then the other party requests the court to verify if the document is backdated or not. The forensic people do it using ink dating technology and other advanced methods.
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Two possibilities:
1 - he wants to backdate something in order to lie/take advantage of a situation and wants to know how likely he is to get caught, or

2- he thinks someone sent him a backdated document and would like to test it to prove the other party is in the wrong. But I'm not sure much would be gained from this in the long run, financially or otherwise.
Say the two of us agree on a deal today, but backdate the contract to January for whatever reason. The contract shows a false date but it's still the original and in and of itself entirely correct.

Forensics seems utterly useless for these cases. Perhaps unless OP has decades in mind, but even then it seems very doubtful
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Perhaps unless OP has decades in mind, but even then it seems very doubtful
You'd need old paper and old inkt . If you use modern paper and inkt and say the document is 50 yrs old that should take them no more than minutes to find out.
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