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Old 18.08.2020, 17:22
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haha, made me laugh, thanks. I'll remember that the next time someone asks me advice on whether to buy a plane or not.
Or someone considering sheep or chicken farming, those things are known to flock.
I don't know anywhere you can rent a sheep by the hour and I'm not about to start googling.
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I don't know anywhere you can rent a sheep by the hour
I could ask my neighbours. They have goats as well, if you're interested.
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Old 19.08.2020, 15:10
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So the UK PPL does not allow you to fly in CH.
Got the "official" response to my question:

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If you have an British EASA licence, you do not have to transfer it to an Swiss EASA licence.

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(I asked if I do my PPL in the UK , would I need to then convert it to a Swiss one, or if I could fly with it as is.)

My follow up question has been regarding renewals, would I need to renew in the UK, or could I renew in CH after two years...

THat's £6k intensive course is looking much more interesting... just need to figure out if they offer remote classrooms for the theory (as most Swiss flight schools seem to do, or at least, the two I checked )

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Old 20.08.2020, 09:59
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Got the "official" response to my question:



(I asked if I do my PPL in the UK , would I need to then convert it to a Swiss one, or if I could fly with it as is.)

My follow up question has been regarding renewals, would I need to renew in the UK, or could I renew in CH after two years...

THat's £6k intensive course is looking much more interesting... just need to figure out if they offer remote classrooms for the theory (as most Swiss flight schools seem to do, or at least, the two I checked )
I did my PPL practical/tuition, final exam, in Switzerland, but the PPL theory, in English, in the UK, with the Swiss Authorities (prior) blessing. The English Language Proficiency exam I did in Switzerland, level 6, which means no further proficiency renewal exams needed. Radio exam also taken in Switzerland.

One could do an intensive practical course overseas to reduce costs, before taking the PPL final exam in Switzeland, though I never did this.
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I did my PPL practical/tuition, final exam, in Switzerland, but the PPL theory, in English, in the UK, with the Swiss Authorities (prior) blessing. The English Language Proficiency exam I did in Switzerland, level 6, which means no further proficiency renewal exams needed. Radio exam also taken in Switzerland.

One could do an intensive practical course overseas to reduce costs, before taking the PPL final exam in Switzeland, though I never did this.
That's actually an interesting idea - as they replied to my follow up question... their response was that due to brexit, no-one knows what will happen to UK EASA... so ask after brexit.

I saw a few centers in Italy and Belgium as well that do intensive PPLs...
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That's actually an interesting idea - as they replied to my follow up question... their response was that due to brexit, no-one knows what will happen to UK EASA... so ask after brexit.

I saw a few centers in Italy and Belgium as well that do intensive PPLs...
I believe the US is very cheap to learn basic stuff, & to get some hours in (intensive) on basic handling - some friends supplemented their Swiss training/Club hours this way. But landing in a US desert air strip, is not the same as landing in a Swiss grass field.

It might also help to think about what type of plane you want to fly, if you are bothered (some people aren't, some people are), under-wing (e.g. Piper) or over-wing (e.g. Cessna). Clubs often tend to favour one-type over another, and additional difference training is usually expected when renting.

My view is that it is best to finalise training/exam, where you plan to fly most initially (leading to, during and after exam period). Familiarity and knowledge helps a lot especially in a place like Switzerland that has quite a complex air space in areas (say compared to the huge vast rural areas available in the US), and lots of local aerodromes with interesting circuits one has to observe, as well as being allowed to land at large commercial airports such as Zürich, Geneva, Bern etc.). I am proud of my Swiss PPL licence...

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ohh man... Without having any aircraft ownership experience and not flying regularly in Switzerland just some thoughts from the side:

Training: usually you get what you paid for, no big surprises. If there is a huge price difference, there must be a reason.
You can fly in Switzerland with any EASA licence, no problem. As soon as you need an exam or check ride with authorities you must do it with an approved instructor of the licencing country. Meaning UK licence = UK instructor/examiner. Doesn't mean though UK airport Anyway, switching any EASA licence to a Swiss licence is no problem, it has only administrative costs.

I strongly recommend learning (especially if you want such 'intensive') on what you want to fly later. I only have a chance to fly a few hours every 2-3 months and it's tough (I'm around 100 hours). Even missing a few weeks means a lot. I wouldn't dare to go to the Alps without a proper, specific training.

IFR restricted: I'm only aware the possibility to do IFR day only. Anyway: if you don't plan to fly a lot (like a lot!), single pilot IFR will be definitely a challenge. And for what? You will not win a lot with a C150/172, at least you would need something FIKI rated, otherwise you only loose freedom of your flights.

How much would you fly after completing your training? The aircraft maintenance cost might be a bit higher than you expect. It's not just a car what you take for oil change once a year and done deal. All the instruments regularly need to be calibrated, every parts must be certified for the type, etc, etc. Below 100s of yearly hours probably not worth it.
Also note, most of the flight schools charge extra if the training is not done on their aircraft.

Flying across the border: nothing special to be done if you don't land
If you do, you need an airport with customs (there are some with on-call possibilities) on both ends.

Night flights: not many lighted GA airports in Switzerland, then as you say: opening hours, noise limitations. And again: with small experience flying NVFR with a C152 is not the secret of long life.

Don't want to scare you, but you need to know what you want. Flying a Cessna along the Swiss mountains on the sunny weekends is beautiful and I can only recommend. If you rather want to use it for travelling to Italy/Germany, etc, probably you want something faster from a bigger airport. Let's clear that up first so we could advise better.
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