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Old 19.09.2020, 17:52
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I highly recommend RBG's book "My Own Words". It's a fascinating insight regarding her life, her role as a Supreme Court Justice and champion of women's rights. I loved her account of her friendship with Justice Scalia - despite holding diametrically opposed views on many facets of constitutional law.

Just shows one can respect a person but not always agree with them! Her presence will be missed greatly on this court.
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Old 19.09.2020, 18:57
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Zero-sum turns into lose-lose very quickly
In that case, it's not a zero-sum game.

The definition of zero-sum is "In game theory and economic theory, a zero-sum game is a mathematical representation of a situation in which each participant's gain or loss of utility is exactly balanced by the losses or gains of the utility of the other participants. If the total gains of the participants are added up and the total losses are subtracted, they will sum to zero. "

You might as well say that a zero-sum turns into a win-win very quickly.

In the shorter term, the stock market is a zero-sum game. In the longer term, wealth is actually being created (literally dug out of the earth, or new technologies) and everybody wins! (Gretha was wrong, btw).
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All in all, the time of this demise may help make other viewpoints heard and argued.
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Old 19.09.2020, 21:19
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Loved this writeup from Scalia's son regarding his father's friendship with RBG:

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news...f3885224b62850
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"Just shows one can respect a person but not always agree with them!"

I think many of us on EF could learn from Bader and Scalia
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Loved this writeup from Scalia's son regarding his father's friendship with RBG:

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news...f3885224b62850
They were probably the two top justices on the court. Both quite brilliant in very different ways.
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Supreme Court justices are not political persons. It's the media that assigns political monikers like conservative and liberal to describe them, based on how they vote on various issues. Even then, they're not always predictable.
Exactly. They're supposed to be able to do the final interpretation of the law.

Reading some historical Supreme Court cases (e.g in Just Mercy, by Bryan Stevenson), some so called "conservative" judges made quite liberal judgements.

RGB was critical of the Roe vs Wade judgement, because she felt it was too open to challenge and should not have been brought on the grounds of privacy.
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apparently her last wish was not to be replaced until elections - i.e not by Trump.
(not clear what she wished should he be re-elected; to await another four years before there is a replacement?).

pathetic, and so wrong on every legal front. literally spat on all her previous legal works.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...nt/5832544002/

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She should have retired as soon as she knew she had terminal cancer during Obamaís presidency. You canít ignore her legacy, but Iím bitter that she has left us at the worst possible time. Now sheís expected to be replaced by a woman who is part of a religious sect that inspired Handmaids Tale...brilliant.
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She should have retired as soon as she knew she had terminal cancer during Obamaís presidency. You canít ignore her legacy, but Iím bitter that she has left us at the worst possible time. Now sheís expected to be replaced by a woman who is part of a religious sect that inspired Handmaids Tale...brilliant.
Itís going to take a generation to undo the harm Trump has done in just four years.
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apparently her last wish was not to be replaced until elections - i.e not by Trump.
(not clear what she wished should he be re-elected; to await another four years before there is a replacement?).

pathetic, and so wrong on every legal front. literally spat on all her previous legal works.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...nt/5832544002/
Seriously? An entire body of good work washed away by a deathbed wish? Itís not clear sheís wrong anyway given the precedent set 4 years ago with Scaliaís death. Itís all about grabbing power....not really much about the law.

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She should have retired as soon as she knew she had terminal cancer during Obamaís presidency. You canít ignore her legacy, but Iím bitter that she has left us at the worst possible time. Now sheís expected to be replaced by a woman who is part of a religious sect that inspired Handmaids Tale...brilliant.
This is not good, and I do agree to some extent. If she had retired at the start of Obamaís 2nd term.....But, hindsight is like that....shoulda, coulda, didnít. And still her recent dissents are excellent, and will likely be the basis of future actions when the pendulum swings back.

What I wonder is, if this nomination goes through but doesnít make it all the way by inauguration, if there is a change in the balance of power, I guess itís possible to not approve the appointment.

And, if the Democrats win the senate, itís also possible they might increase the size of the court.
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Old 21.09.2020, 10:26
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apparently her last wish was not to be replaced until elections - i.e not by Trump.
(not clear what she wished should he be re-elected; to await another four years before there is a replacement?).

pathetic, and so wrong on every legal front. literally spat on all her previous legal works.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...nt/5832544002/
Apparently she was a fervent sexist, as shown by her dream of female SC leadership in the form of nine female SC judges. That's how she wanted "repair tears in society".

It's perfectly Ok to be sexist nowadays. Provided you're of the right kind.
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Old 21.09.2020, 10:43
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Apparently she was a fervent sexist, as shown by her dream of female SC leadership in the form of nine female SC judges. That's how she wanted "repair tears in society".

It's perfectly Ok to be sexist nowadays. Provided you're of the right kind.
Given that the court existed of 9 men until the appointment of Justice OíConnor, her point was why not try 9 women and see.

Moreover, she understood that equal rights were for everyone. Some of her cases as a lawyer involved male plaintiffs denied rights that were given to women such as social security widowís income.
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RBG was a champion of women's rights, certainly - as these issues fall under her passion, equality. As Ennui points out, one of her landmark cases argued for - and won - equal treatment for men. RBG certainly was no sexist.

Her 'When there are nine' comment was classic RBG (and Brooklyn!) humor. Context is everything.
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Given that the court existed of 9 men until the appointment of Justice O’Connor, her point was why not try 9 women and see.
If it was bad to have nine male justices it would be equally bad to have nine female justices (as long as their sex was a reason for their election). Your notion invalidates itself immediately.
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If it was bad to have nine male justices it would be equally bad to have nine female justices (with their sex as a reason for their election). Your notion invalidates itself immediately.
Not at all....

It was, as meloncollie suggested, a joke. But at the same time, no one said it was bad......but perhaps worth a try as 9 men had already been the experience. Can one not suggest something new or must we always conform to rigid parameters.

Actually, if the Democrats take the senate, they could expand scotus to more than 9 judges and grant DC and Puerto Rico statehood. That could be interesting.
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Not at all....

It was, as meloncollie suggested, a joke. But at the same time, no one said it was bad......but perhaps worth a try as 9 men had already been the experience. Can one not suggest something new or must we always conform to rigid parameters.

Actually, if the Democrats take the senate, they could expand scotus to more than 9 judges and grant DC and Puerto Rico statehood. That could be interesting.
ATM, the democrats are running the moral high ground. I would suggest that they continue to do so. If they go down that road the R's could just add even more and start gerrymandering states. It's not a road to go down.

They've been unfortunate regarding when justices have retired / died - they shouldn't let that make them behave like Trump and just doing what they hell they like without a view to what is right.
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In the shorter term, the stock market is a zero-sum game. In the longer term, wealth is actually being created (literally dug out of the earth, or new technologies) and everybody wins! (Gretha was wrong, btw).
The new left believes that the economy is a zero sum game. So if you want to help a poor person the only way is to find a rich person and take something away from them. And if a rich person gets any richer for whatever reason, they automatically assume that it must be because a poor person somewhere is getting even poorer.

This view is often incorrectly referred to as Marxism. But incorrectly so. Karl Marx was actually fully aware that wealth is created and not just moved around, and he wrote about this many times. So people believeing this are actually more left wing than Marx.
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But at the same time, no one said it was bad......
You must have been living under a rock for a very long time if you really believe that.
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You must have been living under a rock for a very long time if you really believe that.
Quite the contrary, the court has generally been a mixture of very able and some mediocre judges. And generally speaking they do seem to respect each other for the most part.

I watched an interview with Ginsburg where she said the Supreme Court was the most collegial place she'd ever worked. So no, her comments about 9 female judges were more like - we've never tried it, perhaps we should.

It was more a bit of wry humour. And now, I'll adjourn to my rock.
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