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There ARE clearly defined rules you just don't like them.
Match lit.

Honestly you seem to light the match and then throw gasoline on your own fire, since I can never really tell where you're actually coming from, just that you want to argue. You seem to switch positions with the weather.
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I think McConnell is mostly a racist. Also a power grabbing politico past his time. If Barrett is the nominee its a cynical choice - ooooh look, a woman. Yeah a woman with at the edge ideas that can be detrimental to the freedom of other women. But yeah, a woman. Hallelujah.
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Old 24.09.2020, 14:20
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Please, please don't think I am on the side of the Republicans. I'm definitely not.
At the moment. Let me check my weather app...
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Old 24.09.2020, 14:24
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Following norms has worked for most of our history because everyone to agrees to do so.
Can't agree with you more on this. Trump and McConnell have done one service to the US - they have made it abundantly clear that norms mean nothing and everything needs to be codified.
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Match lit.

Honestly you seem to light the match and then throw gasoline on your own fire, since I can never really tell where you're actually coming from, just that you want to argue. You seem to switch positions with the weather.
As I mentioned previously if we are talking about political biases I'm fiscally reasonably off to the right, but on social issues quite liberal. So I don't want to see Roe v Wade overturned for example. At the same time, I am equally turned off by AOC style politics and find her as dangerous and as ignorant as the socially conservative republicans. I'm more attracted to the blue dogs and the moderate republicans (basically just Collins and Murkowski!) than to the partisans of either side.

That might make it seem like I "switch with the weather" - because in the partisan world of today's politics I don't naturally fit in with either camp, and depending on the issue would side with different parties. Honestly - I'd like a Biden presidency, but with the Republicans controlling the senate. Not because I like R senators, but because I would want them to be able to block Democrat fiscal policy if necessary. Obviously I want Trump gone.
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I think McConnell is mostly a racist. Also a power grabbing politico past his time. If Barrett is the nominee its a cynical choice - ooooh look, a woman. Yeah a woman with at the edge ideas that can be detrimental to the freedom of other women. But yeah, a woman. Hallelujah.
Also see. Clarence Thomas.
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As I mentioned previously if we are talking about political biases I'm fiscally reasonably off to the right, but on social issues quite liberal. So I don't want to see Roe v Wade overturned for example. At the same time, I am equally turned off by AOC style politics. I'm more attracted to the blue dogs and the moderate republicans (basically just Collins and Murkowski!) than to the partisans of either side.

That might make it seem like I "switch with the weather" - because in the partisan world of today's politics I don't naturally fit in with either camp, and depending on the issue would side with different parties. Honestly - I'd like a Biden presidency, but with the Republicans controlling the senate. Not because I like R senators, but because I would want them to be able to block Democrat fiscal policy if necessary. Obviously I want Trump gone.
I see your point but R fiscal policy has lead to pretty dismal outcomes. And People go on and on about AOC, but a lot of what she says makes sense. And shes not going to take over. Four more years of McConnell leading R stagnation will just
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Also see. Clarence Thomas.
Yes, exactly. Though hes not been very effective, just a conservative Place holder.
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Old 24.09.2020, 14:51
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I see your point but R fiscal policy has lead to pretty dismal outcomes. And People go on and on about AOC, but a lot of what she says makes sense. And she’s not going to take over. Four more years of McConnell leading R stagnation will just
be disastrous.



Yes, exactly. Though he’s not been very effective, just a conservative Place holder.
I want R senators to block D fiscal policy (not to create their own) - if Trump won i'd favour a D senate to block him! The beauty of the US system is that there are good checks and balances.

If we are talking about ways to improve the standard of discourse in US politics I think PR would be a good way to go. Anywhere where you need to form a coalition you have to reach out the other side. We are seeing less and less of that in the US and that's really disastrous, and will become more so. Just look at Switzerland, where parties with very different views work together in government. Look how people respect each other's views. I don't think I've seen a single defaced poster in this election campaign.

It would also allow for people who aren't well represented by D or R to have representation. We could see Green and libertarian congressmen etc.
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Asking as a non-American: have there been any initiatives to change judicial election process to include a supermajority in Senate? A simple two-thirds vote would be suficient. Last time a single party had at least 66 senators was in 1967. Thus, it's very likely that the selection process would have to become a bipartisan issue.

https://www.senate.gov/history/partydiv.htm
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Asking as a non-American: have there been any initiatives to change judicial election process to include a supermajority in Senate? A simple two-thirds vote would be suficient. Last time a single party had at least 66 senators was in 1965. Thus, it's very likely that the selection process would have to become a bipartisan issue.

https://www.senate.gov/history/partydiv.htm
The risk is that it would turn into last judge standing!
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And People go on and on about AOC, but a lot of what she says makes sense. And she’s not going to take over.
She speaks from the perspective of her generation and what they have gone through, she makes absolute sense. I believe she can take over once the old school Democrats die off and/or we finally get another major party besides the Republicans and Democrats. There will be more AOC's, prepare yourself.

I can't wait!
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The risk is that it would turn into last judge standing!
But it's the same case today, isn't it? Now you only rely on the two-party system and the loyalty of senators to its party. As soon as there's a non-negligible number of independent senators, the election process could deadlock in the Senate if president's pick is clearly partisan.
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Asking as a non-American: have there been any initiatives to change judicial election process to include a supermajority in Senate? A simple two-thirds vote would be suficient. Last time a single party had at least 66 senators was in 1967. Thus, it's very likely that the selection process would have to become a bipartisan issue.

https://www.senate.gov/history/partydiv.htm
It used to be 60 votes. From GW Bush up to McConnell’s Obama rejection, the rules gradually changed. This explains it. Complete clusterf*#%

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nuclear...he-senate/#app

Again, completely unclear and fluid “rules”, if you can call them that, despite what Hick says.
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She speaks from the perspective of her generation and what they have gone through, she makes absolute sense. I believe she can take over once the old school Democrats die off and/or we finally get another major party besides the Republicans and Democrats. There will be more AOC's, prepare yourself.

I can't wait!
Ha - you are entitled to your view, but she speaks for herself and her followers not for a generation. I'm only 13 months older than her (32) and find her views on overthrowing capitalism bananas. She's (30) actually a bit young to have been properly hit by the financial crisis - things were returning to normal by the time she will have been out of university. Those who are more like 33/34 were the ones really badly hit when searching for their first job

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It used to be 60 votes. From GW Bush up to McConnell’s Obama rejection, the rules gradually changed. This explains it. Complete clusterf*#%

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nuclear...he-senate/#app

Again, completely unclear and fluid “rules”, if you can call them that, despite what Hick says.
That link does describe how the Republicans under GB2 kept the supermajority despite getting filibustered by the Dems on their judicial picks and it was the Democrats who got rid of the supermajority under Obama when they got challenged by republicans.

So you are in effect complaining that there should be a supermajority when it was the Democrats who removed the requirement for them to be one! That's literally a have your cake and eat it approach. To the extent there is a lack of clarity (minimal and only relating to whether a supermajority is required), it has been caused by the democrats - who really shot themselves in the foot.

Can you explain (other than the supermajority change enacted by the Democrats), any way at all in which the rules are fluid?

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Ha - you are entitled to your view, but she speaks for herself and her followers not for a generation. I'm only 13 months older than her and find her views on overthrowing capitalism bananas.
Did you grow up benefiting from capitalism? If so, even if you are from the same generation, you couldn't possibly have the same perspective unless you've seen the light.

Also, she doesn't want to overthrow capitalism, she wants to have the absurdly wealthy contribute their fair share. Perhaps a separate thread conversation...but I can't allow you to make such a statement without me replying.
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Did you grow up benefiting from capitalism? If so, even if you are from the same generation, you couldn't possibly have the same perspective unless you've seen the light.

Also, she doesn't want to overthrow capitalism, she wants to have the absurdly wealthy contribute their fair share. Perhaps a separate thread conversation...but I can't allow you to make such a statement without me replying.
I came from the type of lower middle class family that didn't get much social support but didn't pay masses in taxes either.
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I came from the type of lower middle class family that didn't get much social support but didn't pay masses in taxes either.
Same... I guess we have to agree to disagree then.

Wanting corporations and the ultra rich to pay their fair share, decent healthcare and education for all and environmentalism does not equal the destruction of capitalism.
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I came from the type of lower middle class family that didn't get much social support but didn't pay masses in taxes either.
So did she, I believe. But different in the UK vs the US.
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