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Loads of migrants from Africa and the Middle East arrived into Germany via and stayed in Munich - it turned a formerly crime free city into just another multicultural shithole - not as bad as Paris yet but give it 20 years.

About Munich - it's a superb place if you can afford the taxes and live in the right areas to avoid the recent crime hike. Much more life in the city than Zurich and it's relatively easy and cheap to have a great time (Lots of cultural events and activities are supported by the taxpayers i.e. not at point of consumption) If you're very young and not stupid (that's the crime thing again) go for it - the Bavarians are far more friendly than Zurich people.
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Old 16.08.2021, 23:19
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To be fair Zurich as dodgy as Munich. Red light area is full of Muttis friends.

At least Munich is a major touristic destination vs. Zurich a provincial town.
Nah it's very very confined in Zurich - in Munich it's much more spread out now - it used to be just around the hbf and serious violent crime has gone from a total novelty to a weekly event.
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Bottom up calculation of cost in M + the savings you can make here = need to have net pay in M to have same standard (your salary only). Then calculate needed gross in M from there.
Only figure that I have now is my net in Zurich which is around 8k as I am working while my wife no and expenses are around 5k everything included. Don't know the other piece of the equation as I was not able to find a proper salary range for my position
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Nah it's very very confined in Zurich - in Munich it's much more spread out now - it used to be just around the hbf and serious violent crime has gone from a total novelty to a weekly event.
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Loads of migrants from Africa and the Middle East arrived into Germany via and stayed in Munich - it turned a formerly crime free city into just another multicultural shithole - not as bad as Paris yet but give it 20 years.

About Munich - it's a superb place if you can afford the taxes and live in the right areas to avoid the recent crime hike. Much more life in the city than Zurich and it's relatively easy and cheap to have a great time (Lots of cultural events and activities are supported by the taxpayers i.e. not at point of consumption) If you're very young and not stupid (that's the crime thing again) go for it - the Bavarians are far more friendly than Zurich people.
Thanks a lot for your advice. Do you have any suggestions for area in the city of MÜNICH for renting an apartment?
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To be fair Zurich as dodgy as Munich. Red light area is full of Muttis friends.

At least Munich is a major touristic destination vs. Zurich a provincial town.
Taking Parnell’s comments at face value, if you really think Zurich is dodgy in any way, never mind comparable to what he is describing, you really need to broaden your horizons.
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Only figure that I have now is my net in Zurich which is around 8k as I am working while my wife no and expenses are around 5k everything included. Don't know the other piece of the equation as I was not able to find a proper salary range for my position
You didn't get my point. I suggested to add cost of living in Munich plus your monthly savings here to come to must have net in Munich. From there you calculate the gross you need.

You said you are a risk analyst?
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Loads of migrants from Africa and the Middle East arrived into Germany via and stayed in Munich - it turned a formerly crime free city into just another multicultural shithole - not as bad as Paris yet but give it 20 years.
As always: lots of rather despicable xenophobic opinion, very little facts: Per capita has the city police reported two years in a row the lowest numbers in 40 years. https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen...2020-1.5233129

The crime rate is about half as high as Berlin, Cologne, Hamburg or Frankfurt. Munich cops had to use their guns exactly twice in 2020. Just because you apparently feel scared whenever you see a foreign looking person does it not mean that there is an actual danger...
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As always: lots of rather despicable xenophobic opinion, very little facts: Per capita has the city police reported two years in a row the lowest numbers in 40 years. https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen...2020-1.5233129

The crime rate is about half as high as Berlin, Cologne, Hamburg or Frankfurt. Munich cops had to use their guns exactly twice in 2020. Just because you apparently feel scared whenever you see a foreign looking person does it not mean that there is an actual danger...
He is totally right. Haupbanhof area and near by Turkish/Arabic district have been dodgy for last 10 years. Ofc, no one gets shot or dies during the day time there but lots of small crime and noise happening.

I'm talking from my personal experience as I've been going skiing via Munich a lot and usually stay near train station as hotels are cheaper there.

Friday night, surrounding streets are packed with cars with people smoking weed and consuming alcohol.
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You didn't get my point. I suggested to add cost of living in Munich plus your monthly savings here to come to must have net in Munich. From there you calculate the gross you need.

You said you are a risk analyst?
Let's assume those are my projected monthly costs for 2:

Rent:2000/2200 -> 4 rooms apartment near the city center (taking into account kids in the near future)
Utilities: 150 -> Gas/water/electricity
Transportation: 130/150
Phone/internet bills-> 80
Food: 400
Extra including dinner & travel :600-800
Saving 2700
Clothes & personal care: 200

It should be something between 7.5 & 8k - which seems to be pretty impossible tbh e as so far I have not been able to find a proper salary range for my role.

By running a calculation me with 80 (cat.3) and my wife 50(cat.5) we should be at 6.5k but yet not sure if 80 is something that I could aim for or I should expect something in the 65-70k range
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Old 17.08.2021, 12:34
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Thanks a lot for your advice. Do you have any suggestions for area in the city of MÜNICH for renting an apartment?
No worries... so the top areas are gonna be Bogenhausen (where all the embassies are) , Muenchner Freiheit & Schwabing (student nightlife) and Haidhausen. But if you really want to ask your question and get a more up to date answer head here where there's a much more active discussion forum on all things Munich. Best of luck in any case.
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Let's assume those are my projected monthly costs for 2:

Rent:2000/2200 -> 4 rooms apartment near the city center (taking into account kids in the near future)
Utilities: 150 -> Gas/water/electricity
Transportation: 130/150
Phone/internet bills-> 80
Food: 400
Extra including dinner & travel :600-800
Saving 2700
Clothes & personal care: 200

It should be something between 7.5 & 8k - which seems to be pretty impossible tbh e as so far I have not been able to find a proper salary range for my role.

By running a calculation me with 80 (cat.3) and my wife 50(cat.5) we should be at 6.5k but yet not sure if 80 is something that I could aim for or I should expect something in the 65-70k range
Is this the same life style you have in Zurich? I somehow cannot believe that 120k CHF in Zurich is more than 130k EUR in Munich.

Still cannot help with what an appropriate salary for you would be.
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Old 17.08.2021, 12:39
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Taking Parnell’s comments at face value, if you really think Zurich is dodgy in any way, never mind comparable to what he is describing, you really need to broaden your horizons.
There are areas of Zurich that are crime-ridden - parts of Schwamendingen & Dietikon are the two I'm most familiar with. If you don't believe me then a) I congratulate you on being so wealthy that you do not notice the underclass under your feet and b)Consider hanging around the bahnhofs in either area and meeting some of the more colourful characters.

Years ago the joke was that Munich had such little crime that the junkies and drunks at Ostbahnhof were paid by the state (of course they were through welfare) to maintain a public presence just to prove that Munich had crime too.
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Old 17.08.2021, 12:47
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As always: lots of rather despicable xenophobic opinion, very little facts: Per capita has the city police reported two years in a row the lowest numbers in 40 years. https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen...2020-1.5233129

The crime rate is about half as high as Berlin, Cologne, Hamburg or Frankfurt. Munich cops had to use their guns exactly twice in 2020. Just because you apparently feel scared whenever you see a foreign looking person does it not mean that there is an actual danger...
Ahhh the minister of truth pipes up again... no one believes in the official reported police numbers for years - not after Cologne. EVEN THE UN is intervening after the Berlin "police" kicked the shit out of anti lockdown protesters (mostly women) recently :

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My information comes from my dearest personal friends and their children in Munich as well as visiting the city at least 4 times per year. I know you're a communist authoritarian but if someone asks for advice would you steer them in harm's way?

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Is this the same life style you have in Zurich? I somehow cannot believe that 120k CHF in Zurich is more than 130k EUR in Munich.

Still cannot help with what an appropriate salary for you would be.
130k in Munich is very very decent money - with that you'll have a great time (and certainly more fun than in Zurich) as long as you steer clear of trouble - coupled with that there's a thriving entrepreneurial bunch in Munich which can be relatively easily accessed through the summer months through the biergartens in the likes of Solln.
Munich also has the EPO (European Patent Office) - also known as the gravy train where folks pay almost no tax and "earn" bucketloads.
They're the folks who have real money and not the wage slaves.

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Not too bad in Munich, even the dodgy areas are safe as the police will have your ass in a can if you do something stupid. Getting a place to live on the other hand is criminal; 1000 to 1500 and over is about right for one bedroom digs, also get ready to fight 700 people.
Now that's an idea... Sell streaming rights for Gladiator combat on the Theresienwiese.

Thing is even if you go far out of Munich you won't find cheap, Augsburg, Ingolstadt, Memmingen, Rosenheim are considered part of the munich area.
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No worries... so the top areas are gonna be Bogenhausen (where all the embassies are) , Muenchner Freiheit & Schwabing (student nightlife) and Haidhausen. But if you really want to ask your question and get a more up to date answer head here where there's a much more active discussion forum on all things Munich. Best of luck in any case.
Thanks a lot for sharing this forum! What are you though of Maxvorstadt and Berg am Laim if I am lucky enough to find something there? thanks in advance!
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Not too bad in Munich, even the dodgy areas are safe as the police will have your ass in a can if you do something stupid. Getting a place to live on the other hand is criminal; 1000 to 1500 and over is about right for one bedroom digs, also get ready to fight 700 people.
Now that's an idea... Sell streaming rights for Gladiator combat on the Theresienwiese.

Thing is even if you go far out of Munich you won't find cheap, Augsburg, Ingolstadt, Memmingen, Rosenheim are considered part of the munich area.
My assumption like here in Zurich is that the higher the rent - hopefully the less competition I will face. But of course I don't know how bad is the challenge for 2-2.4k apartment and that's why I am a bit scared as I will end up paying more in Münich then in Zurich.
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He is totally right. Haupbanhof area and near by Turkish/Arabic district have been dodgy for last 10 years. Ofc, no one gets shot or dies during the day time there but lots of small crime and noise happening.

I'm talking from my personal experience as I've been going skiing via Munich a lot and usually stay near train station as hotels are cheaper there.

Friday night, surrounding streets are packed with cars with people smoking weed and consuming alcohol.
Nobody gets shot there during the night either. Or at least far less people than in comparable sized European cities. So yeah - young people tend to go to the city center of larger cities to party on a weekend night. Thats neither dodgy or criminal. By your definition would London be some sort of living hell. Sounds like you are a better fit for village life - and maybe next time dont book your hotel directly in the going out area if you like it quiet.
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Thanks a lot for sharing this forum! What are you though of Maxvorstadt and Berg am Laim if I am lucky enough to find something there? thanks in advance!
No worries. Maxvorstadt is established and quite nice , Berg am Laim is up and coming but it's close to Ostbahnhof where there is a very rough element. Berg am Laim is close to Michaelibad and Michaelipark which is lovely but again some of the newcomers to the parish where two of Mutti's guests seriously assaulted two underage girls - of course in Treverus' world this never happened....
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My assumption like here in Zurich is that the higher the rent - hopefully the less competition I will face. But of course I don't know how bad is the challenge for 2-2.4k apartment and that's why I am a bit scared as I will end up paying more in Münich then in Zurich.
Not on this planet, check the local immo sites for more info.
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