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Insulation for van (thinsulate specifically)

Hello,

can anyone tell me where to buy Thinsulate insulation? 3M make several thinsulate versions for vehicles - I'm looking for SM600L for the walls and roof of my camper van conversion.

When I contacted 3M here, they suggested I contact a completely different German company.

Also grateful for others' advice on van insulation generally.
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Re: Insulation for van (thinsulate specifically)

There are times when google is not your friend! It will be easier to use high quality building products than find something specific. Pavatex makes roof insulation which would work, see the link below. On all modern wood framed buildings here we use a lot of breathable/waterproof membranes. Realistically it is probably better to visit some roofing companies (Dachdecher in German) as they normally have a good collection of bits and pieces left over as well as rolls of membranes.

https://www.pavatex.com/en/home/
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I'm looking for SM600L for the walls and roof of my camper van conversion.

When I contacted 3M here, they suggested I contact a completely different German company.
Like most companies 3M will not do end user sales. Think about all those wishing to buy Post-It. If the Swiss 3M points you to a distributor in Germany than this might indeed the best and only source.

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Wir haben die Alubutyl Schwerdämmfolie, die Armaflex Isolation und das Armaflex Tape in Deutschland über den Online Shop von Lederkonzept bestellt. Die Preise für die Materialien sind erheblich günstiger als in der Schweiz und wir konnten so viel Geld sparen. In der Schweiz kann das Isolationsmaterial z.B. im Internetshop Top-Plast.ch in Pfyn, bei Vibraplast in Aadorf, dem Campingprofi in Dietlikon und vielen anderen Quellen bezogen werden.
https://www.swissnomads.ch/reisetipp...ieren-daemmen/

None of the above shops have your mentioned Thinsulate SM600L. And Swiss Nomads used something else.
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Re: Insulation for van (thinsulate specifically)

the OP is asking for Acoustic insulation (really?)

roof insulation is typically heat insulation.
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the OP is asking for Acoustic insulation (really?)

roof insulation is typically heat insulation.
Thanks for the link from aSwissInTheUS
Indeed, Phil_MCR, I don't want vibration mats for sound reduction. In the link of SwissNomads they used first a butyl vibration reducer and then a dense foam thermal insulation (Armaflex). I am going to use something like Armaflex of Pavatherm on the floor.

But these dense incompressible options are much harder to use on the walls and roof of a vehicle as there are so many different shapes and curves etc.. It's way too much work as it has to be cut to size precisely and it can't be stuffed into nooks and crannies...

So a woven fibre is easier. Just like in an insulated coat (eg. a Thinsulate jacket). 3M also sells it for automotive use and as acoustic insulation (but it's very thermally insulative). It's very popular for camper van conversions.
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Re: Insulation for van (thinsulate specifically)

discussion just reminded me of aerogels and now i see they also make it into insulation products. i'm not sure if it is really suitable for your application, but another idea: http://www.buyaerogel.com/product/sp...m-cut-to-size/
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discussion just reminded me of aerogels and now i see they also make it into insulation products. i'm not sure if it is really suitable for your application, but another idea: http://www.buyaerogel.com/product/sp...m-cut-to-size/
There are concerns that some parts of this sort of silica are rather close to asbestos in form, and may be a long term health risk. As yet no clear evidence either way, but probably something to be cautious about.

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https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/hhe/report...-0026-3230.pdf
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Re: Insulation for van (thinsulate specifically)

It doesn't look easy to find the stuff you want.

On the van conversion forums, people have got it from Marine and Industrial, in Norfolk in the U.K.

You could ask them whether you could buy some from them but they may not want the bother of shipping it here. Alternatively they may suggest another supplier.

When in the U.K., I've bought similar vehicle materials by approaching small companies using it and asking whether they would sell me a few metres.

Getting some things here is like 'Mission Impossible.'
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When I contacted 3M here, they suggested I contact a completely different German company.
Would you mind to share the name of this company so others in a similar situation might have a bit easier?
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Would you mind to share the name of this company so others in a similar situation might have a bit easier?
Sure. The suggestion was H.K.O. Isolier- und Textiltechnik GmbH, Werk/Plant Oberhausen Zum Eisenhammer 54 46049 Oberhausen www.hko.de;
however, they're not a direct-to-consumer company - suggestion was ask them about suppliers but I don't think they do what I'm looking for. But I'm going to inquire.

As always, I'm trying to find supply in Switzerland, rather than having to try to import it myself.

This is precisely what I'm looking for here (not in stock in Amazon US now):
https://www.amazon.com/Thinsulate-Ac...MWBXE2FVCGZTJQ

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discussion just reminded me of aerogels and now i see they also make it into insulation products. i'm not sure if it is really suitable for your application, but another idea: http://www.buyaerogel.com/product/sp...m-cut-to-size/
Actually, I was looking for this too for completely different reasons. Thanks!
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There are concerns that some parts of this sort of silica are rather close to asbestos in form, and may be a long term health risk. As yet no clear evidence either way, but probably something to be cautious about.

For example:

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/hhe/report...-0026-3230.pdf

Thanks very much. That's exactly the type of thing I was concerned about in choice of material (I intend to live in the camper semipermanently). I neither wanted off-gassing, nor potentially hazardous dust either from the insulation or from the fire-retardant added to it.

Which is one of the reasons I was looking at thinsulate (in addition to its convenience for installation).
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It doesn't look easy to find the stuff you want.

On the van conversion forums, people have got it from Marine and Industrial, in Norfolk in the U.K.

You could ask them whether you could buy some from them but they may not want the bother of shipping it here. Alternatively they may suggest another supplier.

When in the U.K., I've bought similar vehicle materials by approaching small companies using it and asking whether they would sell me a few metres.

Getting some things here is like 'Mission Impossible.'
thanks - I'm confused by the various versions of it, but that's pretty much what I'm looking for (I don't get the difference between some of them AU vs SM)

I'll ask them if they can point me to someone, cheers
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Re: Insulation for van (thinsulate specifically)

We used armaflex insulation in our van. Armaflex is very popular for van insulation here in Europe and widely available (online). The floor is insulated with Armaflex and a layer of XPS /Styrodur (home improvement store).
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We used armaflex insulation in our van. Armaflex is very popular for van insulation here in Europe and widely available (online). The floor is insulated with Armaflex and a layer of XPS /Styrodur (home improvement store).
Thanks. That's my plan for the floor too. I was just wanting something easier for the walls/roof. Did you consider anything other than Armaflex before you decided to use it throughout?
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Re: Insulation for van (thinsulate specifically)

Another option is underfelt for parquet which comes with a vapor or foil barrier, it is woven and flexible so you could "build" it up to the thickness you want using spray glue. In the link below is the supplier I use which also has Pavalex.

https://www.kuratlejaecker.ch/en_kur...tion+%2F+foils
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Re: Insulation for van (thinsulate specifically)

No, actually not. Since Armaflex is so easy to use. It has one sticky glue side. And you can get it in different thickness. Van convertion companies are using it here in Europe since ages. I'm aware that in the US Thinsulate, Sprayfoam, reflectix and other materials are very popular. But since we are based in Europe, it's easier to go with the material that you can more easily purchase here and which works very well.
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