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Old 20.01.2021, 18:23
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This was the original thread, don't know why we got moved here without copying the first messages

https://www.englishforum.ch/sports-f...21-season.html
I left that thread there, but once someone had started a separate one about the same avalanche that had been mentioned therein, which was really tangential to the thread topic, I thought it better to move the relevant posts over here.
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Old 20.01.2021, 18:28
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Re: British expat(?) killed in avalanche

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I left that thread there, but once someone had started a separate one about the same avalanche that had been mentioned therein, which was really tangential to the thread topic, I thought it better to move the relevant posts over here.
The other thread was about avalanches in season 2020/2021 in general and only a very few are discussing a particular avalanche.
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Re: British expat(?) killed in avalanche

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To some extent- it is their prerogative and choice.

Where I do strongly object, is that rescue teams have to go and risk their own lives- and often lose them too- fathers, sons, mothers and daughters, wonderful dedicated people - because of the stupidity of others. And the recurring debate- should rescue teams go out and put themselves at risk, when people clearly went against all advice, all common sense, all experience, all history of the local area and season layers, etc. And my answer is- the rescue team should discuss it before going, and refuse to go if that is their assessment.
I highly doubt that in reality a rescue team can refuse to conduct a rescue unless the conditions are so adverse as to make that impossible. They will always try and save lives regardless of how stupid people have been.
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Re: British expat(?) killed in avalanche

"A British man among 10 people swept away by an avalanche in the Swiss Alps has died, friends have said.

The victim, named in online tributes as Jamie Clark, 38, died in the alpine resort of Verbier, on Monday.

Eight other people escaped uninjured, local police said, while one was flown to hospital with serious injuries.

It is believed Mr Clark, originally from Doncaster, had been working as a chef in the resort for several years before he died."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-55733377
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I highly doubt that in reality a rescue team can refuse to conduct a rescue unless the conditions are so adverse as to make that impossible. They will always try and save lives regardless of how stupid people have been.
A rescuer can always deny if they would put its own life at serious risk. There is no law which mandates you must sacrifice yourself, only that you must help if the circumstances allow so.

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I highly doubt that in reality a rescue team can refuse to conduct a rescue unless the conditions are so adverse as to make that impossible. They will always try and save lives regardless of how stupid people have been.
For Avalanche rescue the chance of finding someone alive after being buried for 30 minutes, is 30-35%, they know this so won't risk their lives, as they know they are likely too late.

You need to be rescued by the people you are with, roughly 90% survival rate if found within 10 minutes, it's going to take a few minutes to dig, assuming the person was wearing an AVA. If piste patrol need to take a lift & ski down to the area plenty of time will be wasted.
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A rescuer can always deny if they would put its own life at serious risk. There is no law which mandates you must sacrifice yourself, only that you must help if the circumstances allow so.

Art. 128 Swiss Criminal Code
Obviously I am talking about where it is feasible/realistic to do so. That should have been obvious from the context, considering I was replying to Jackies post about her saying rescue teams should 'just refuse to help if people are simply being stupid'.

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Obviously I am talking about where it is feasible to do so. That should have been obvious from the context, considering I was replying to Jackies post about her saying rescue teams should 'just refuse to help if people are simply being stupid'.
It's very rare that rescuers are injured doing an Avalanche rescue on the mountain, as the Avalanche in 90%+ cases has triggered & it's now safe. There are exceptions usually when a village is taken out, as last year in Turkey. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlhLySX9qao
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Re: Skitouring & Splitboarding - not lookin' good for 20/21 season

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89 Avalanches (with people involved), 122 people affected
https://www.slf.ch/de/lawinen/unfael...e-aktuell.html

Dead: 9 free rider, 5 ski tourers.
https://www.slf.ch/de/lawinen/unfael...e-aktuell.html

On average there are 140 avalanches (with people involved) and 220 people affected per season.
https://www.dora.lib4ri.ch/wsl/islan...n).pdf#page=49

On average 24 people die each season in avalanches.
https://www.slf.ch/de/lawinen/unfael...atistiken.html
Good information. Thanks.
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