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I've been looking for boar meat as my usual source (a hunter by the airport) seems to have stopped.
I know a hunter in BL. He's asked me if we want any as butchers aren't interested so much since restaurants are closed.

Hunting continues. Find a new hunter or join a hunting club - with all the obligations it puts upon you.
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Old 02.02.2021, 23:37
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My wife's cousin in Italy (half an hour from here) is a certified boar-butcher (as well as a hunter), i.e. he can legally certify stuff for sale to restaurants and shops (in Italy).

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Old 02.02.2021, 23:41
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I’d take a boar over a bear, particularly a momma-bear.
Both are tasty!

Anyway, 50 years ago this couple were picking blackbeeries in our woods in VT. We started talking (I was 12), and he had a 357 Magnum sidearm, and I asked why. "In case of bears, not that they are normally a problem, but if it's a female with little ones it IS a problem"

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P.S. His name was Daniel Boone, really!
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My wife's cousin in Italy (half an hour from here) is a certified boar-butcher (as well as a hunter), i.e. he can legally certify stuff for sale to restaurants and shops (in Italy).

Tom

Hunters in Switzerland are qualified to asses the quality of game and sell it to individuals or restaurants, and if any red flags or mitigating circumstances arise then it has to examined by the veterinary authorities, and every wild pig has to pass a trichinosis test as well before it can be sold.
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Re: Hunting Boar?

I get my boar meat from this source, highly recommended:

https://naturkonkret.abacuscity.ch/de/1~154/Wild-Fisch

They usually have more options when it is in season...
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Old 03.02.2021, 10:44
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This is the reasoning I hear from every person that I know that hunts. (okay, a handful, but still)

Never mind the fact that humans have taken over the wild animals' land/homes/habitat and the humans decide what is an acceptable number and rest can be killed.
Hi Summergirl, yes, I agree with you -- humans have taken over the wild animals' habitat. That is something that we cannot revert (well, yes, if we stop reproducing - I contributed my share there already).

Yet, it is not that 'humans decide what is an acceptable number, and rest can be killed' - particularly on privately managed reserves.

Every time that I have gone hunting with my friends (I am not a hunter, but I am OK with hunting as long as the prey is consumed for food), I realize that the average hunter is more of a conservationist and knows infinitely more than the average person about nature, biology and animal & environmental science. This is not about 'conserving the prey', this is about knowing and caring about each animal within the herd, understanding the resources that they need to survive and thrive, and also realizing how much reproductive pressure the land that they have under their management, can support.

When the top predators (bears, wolfs) are not present anymore on the areas*, there is no way to control the overpopulation of herbivores - they deplete resources, and you have starving or diseased animals. Both of these factors put in peril the stability of the ecosystem within the reserve.

*I am also pro- reintroducing bears and wolfs on these reserves -- or in the national parks, or in the mountains. But, try to explain this to the farmers, or the average Joe, who wants to trek, camp, or walk carelessly around the (tamed and manicured) countryside in Switzerland.... I lived in Slovakia for some years, where you can find bears easily on the Tatras, and also much closer to human settlements (I remember a couple of close encounters at Male Levary while trekking). People are used to them, because they have always been there. But try to explain how to react to this >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqFGR99V2Qc to an urbanite

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Old 03.02.2021, 10:46
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Re: Hunting Boar?

I was running in the mountains all alone, I had run around 20kms uphill, I was inside some dense woods. I suddenly started to hear dogs barking, that in itself was stressful due to the number of times I have been threatened by dogs while running

Next I saw some deer running near me, which made me smile as I love those creatures, but they were stressed (barking chasing dogs). I wet my pants at the thought of the dogs coming for me with the owners nowhere to be seen.

Then I started hearing gunshots My already high HR (running uphill + dogs) went even higher! I ran away from the area like a man possessed! I did not want to be shot accidentally by some hillbilly (or knowingly for being an auslaender)

I don't know why people shoot such beautiful creatures of the wild. Let them be! If overpopulation bothers you so much, why not start by controlling human population and nature exploitation first?
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Old 03.02.2021, 11:08
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! If overpopulation bothers you so much, why not start by controlling human population and nature exploitation first?
Funny you mention... I work on that
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Old 03.02.2021, 11:35
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Funny you mention... I work on that
You busy creating the next virus? Easily spreadable like the common cold but deadly like Ebola?
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Old 03.02.2021, 11:46
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I am not a hunter, but I am OK with hunting as long as the prey is consumed for food
Here I am with you actually.

I am not against meat. Animals hunt other animals in the nature. It's a natural cycle. What I am extremely against is: factory farming and/or inhumane slaughtering. Or taking calves away from their mothers so we can take their milk and male calves turned into veal.

I personally stopped eating meat 5 years ago (because I realized even if not factory farmed, the slaughtering process can be horrendous and no, I am not vegan) and if you're a good hunter and you can instantly kill the animal for food consumption, I understand. I decided for myself, if I don't have the heart to kill and butcher it, I don't have the right to eat it. (in other words, I felt like I cannot enjoy eating meat, and let someone else do the "dirty job".)

Whoever hunts for sport as a hobby, I absolutely detest.
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Old 03.02.2021, 11:51
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You busy creating the next virus? Easily spreadable like the common cold but deadly like Ebola?
I think it wouldn't be "the next virus", swine flu isn't new. But we already got the H1N1 vax that works against the swine flu.
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Old 03.02.2021, 12:00
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I was running in the mountains all alone, I had run around 20kms uphill, I was inside some dense woods. I suddenly started to hear dogs barking, that in itself was stressful due to the number of times I have been threatened by dogs while running

Next I saw some deer running near me, which made me smile as I love those creatures, but they were stressed (barking chasing dogs). I wet my pants at the thought of the dogs coming for me with the owners nowhere to be seen.

Then I started hearing gunshots My already high HR (running uphill + dogs) went even higher! I ran away from the area like a man possessed! I did not want to be shot accidentally by some hillbilly (or knowingly for being an auslaender)

I don't know why people shoot such beautiful creatures of the wild. Let them be! If overpopulation bothers you so much, why not start by controlling human population and nature exploitation first?
Because the creatures might be predators to others and minimize population of other creatures, make them disappear. Not that they necessarily harm us.
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Old 03.02.2021, 12:11
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You busy creating the next virus? Easily spreadable like the common cold but deadly like Ebola?
oh man, happy you went there... and not other (historical) and more bloody forms of population control

No, no, part of my projects (both for profit, and non-for-profit) are on medical options for human reproductive health, particularly women's (from information to prevention to enhancement).
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Old 03.02.2021, 12:22
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Very glad I live on Swiss side, where hunting with dogs is not allowed. In france they do hunt with packs of dogs, allow the dogs to have 'a bit of fun' with the animal, then kill it with a knife. Saw an ASPAS video the other day of a young board who had taken refuge in someone's garden- screaming and running aroundd with half its guts hanging out, after the dogs had ripped him apart. Just truly.

And in France- the hunters say the wild boars are too numerous- and at the same time, both artificially feed them on grain and corn to encourage numbers and breeding- then kill all the natural predators- then have the gall to say they are too numerous and cause damage.

Still, at least in Switzerland hunters get some training, are generally very good shots, and the laws are much tighter. Regular wild boar hunts in the woods behind us and then then drag them down in the snow to our lane- and always come and ask permission first.

I like the Geneva Canton solution.
Hunters in France are, for the most part, absolutely vile, selfish people with zero stewardship thinking. My father owns land in the South of France, most of it forest, with a house in the middle that is surrounded by about 60 olive trees. The part with the house is fenced in by a seven foot high fence that is set between thirty and fifty metres away from the house. We have bullet holes in the house from hunters shooting at things that had escaped to within the fence.

My dad has told the hunters of the village on numerous occasions that they should not set foot on his land (which he has clearly demarcated and is also characterised by the fact that he actually does the mandatory undergrowth clearing that is intended to prevent forest fires) but they don't give a damn. And not only do they not care, they even leave their rubbish lying around, including cigarette butts. During a lot of the year, smoking is strictly prohibited in the forest but they don't care. They feel it is their right to hunt and zero consideration is given to doing it in a humane way.

They will also shoot at anything that moves - I was given strict instructions to sing at the top of my voice whenever I wandered about in our forest on my own. Imagine not being able to walk around YOUR OWN PROPERTY without making noise for fear of being shot at. There also seems to be zero consideration for any season where one shouldn't hunt, if there is such a law, then the hunters ignore it.

So, summing up: I'm extremely glad that Switzerland takes its usual borderline over-engineered approach to the business of hunting. It is important to keep populations under control and take measures to keep them healthy. I remember being told to avoid getting anywhere near foxes back in the 80ies and 90ies because rabies was a big problem among the fox population of Switzerland. Through a systematic vaccination programme, rabies was eradicated among foxes by the end of the 90ies.

There is currently also a debate about what to do with raccoons that are arriving on Swiss territory, with a strong preference for not letting them settle here. Yes, raccoons are cute (the little hands!) but they have almost no natural enemies and can create absolute havoc. If they were to make a bird reserve their home, it would be almost impossible to protect the eggs and chicks from these highly intelligent omnivores. The wild boar are also without natural predators, unless the urban population can be convinced that having wolves and bears in their forest is totally fine. They seem to love canton Aargau in particular, must be all the carrots ... In 2009, only a little over 4'000 of them were shot by hunters, ten years later it was over 12'000. I'm glad to know that it isn't amateurs out for a bit of fun doing this, but serious people with the proper training and equipment.
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Re: Hunting Boar?

I am not anti-hunting- although I could not hunt myself. But I am glad that in Switzerland, overall, hunters are well trained, belong to groups that work together ethically, but no artificial feeding is allowed, that dogs are trained to find prey, but not attack and cause massive injuries, that as far as I have witnessed, they don't hunt blind drunk - as over the border.

However, I think the Geneva Canton has the best idea, for the safety and balance of herds and wildlife, and the safety of the population.

No private hunting- but a small group of professional wildlife wardens who know the Canton like their back pocket, know more or less every animal and their age/status- and whose prime rôle is to ensure populations do not grow beyond certain limits, that sick and injured animals are taken out - and who are trained not just in hunting and shooting skills, but to know the needs of each wildlife species, ecology, and will work with farmers and private owners in the case of damage to property, including prevention rather than kill.
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Now totally out of curiosity, say you have the proper hunting license here in Switzerland and you shot a boar. Do you then take it home and butcher it in your own kitchen/garden/garage etc?? Or do you need a license to butcher as well?? (and if you don't have it, take it to a butcher?)

I mean, shooting is one thing, to cut it open etc etc is another!
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I witnessed a wild female bore running to get us after we woke her by singing on top of our voices in the woods as kids once. She did have piglets so must have gotten protective.▽ ̄⚇  ̄▽
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We have bullet holes in the house from hunters shooting at things that had escaped to within the fence.

They will also shoot at anything that moves - I was given strict instructions to sing at the top of my voice whenever I wandered about in our forest on my own. Imagine not being able to walk around YOUR OWN PROPERTY without making noise for fear of being shot at.
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I witnessed a wild female bore running to get us after we woke her by singing on top of our voices in the woods as kids once. She did have piglets so must have gotten protective.▽ ̄⚇  ̄▽
Snap. Same, I was walking down the path singing Bring him home from Les Misérables (these things stay with you) when I suddenly spotted a wild sow ahead of me on the path, with piglets further back. She was already picking up speed to charge at me. Thankfully, I knew that there was a big rock that I could climb not far away and probably ran the fastest I've ever run in my life to get there. She didn't chase me all the way to the rock, but did a lot of kicking about the ground a bit further away, then wandered off. I refused to go back into the forest on my own for the rest of that year.
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She put the fear of death in my little brother (she was humongous) but I felt bad that we scared her. I was wondering where her pig guy was Climbing the rock was smart, we ran and then we hopped on trees in a few seconds, it was nuts.. I thought about it a number of times in Yellowstone and Yosemite, when falling asleep, thinking Beware of the Bear, pigs, wolves. I haven't seen kids here ever climbing trees, wonder how the city kids survive.

I guess we were hunted by a boar.
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