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a lovely French word 'marcassin' for young boars.
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Kittster, the situation in France is just so dangerous and appalling, with private landowners and residents terrified of going out, even on their own property.
And hunters start in the morning with 'gnole' (cheap alcohol) and go on drinking all day- armed to the back teeth. Their methods are disgusting often, and they also continue 'vénerie sous terre' - like badger baiting and fighting in the vilest and most cruel of ways.

But the most worrying currently, is that they encourage numbers, with aritificial feeding, and even breeding to release. Recently, they have introduced new breeds of pigs from Asia to hybridise with wild boar, new illegal breeds of - without any veterinary controls at all - and threatening to spread disease to farm herds and all other wildlife, and possibley humans.

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Kittster, the situation in France is just so dangerous and appalling, with private landowners and residents terrified of going out, even on their own property.
And hunters start in the morning with 'gnole' (cheap alcohol) and go on drinking all day- armed to the back teeth. Their methods are disgusting often, and they also continue 'vénerie sous terre' - like badger baiting and fighting in the vilest and most cruel of ways.

But the most worrying currently, is that they encourage numbers, with aritificial feeding, and even breeding to release. Recently, they have introduced new breeds of pigs from Asia to hybridise with wild boar, new illegal breeds of - without any veterinary controls at all - and threatening to spread disease to farm herds and all other wildlife, and possibley humans.
We did briefly consider becoming very "clumsy" with leaving stuff lying around on our property, stuff that goes flash bang. People use all sorts of things to get rid of particularly tenacious tree stumps and my grandfather was an explosives specialist who passed down a lot of his knowledge to my Dad. Ultimately decided against it as some innocent kid or animal may happen upon it. And also because we are not homicidal maniacs, although it is difficult to take the high ground with such despicable specimens.

It's infuriating to be powerless against the omnipresent hunters' lobby, even the government refuses to touch any of their "rights" because they are such a vocal part of society. I'm very aware of the drinking tradition among hunters, I feel like that would be one law that they could pass and get general public approval. Some departements have actually prohibited drinking and hunting but it is not a general law. Mind you, since most hunters go hunting after they have driven to a certain spot by car, there would have to be at least one sober person among them...

Circling back to the original topic, hunting in Switzerland: By the way, there is also no prohibition to drink for hunters in Switzerland (to my knowledge, certainly not in Romandie). One hopes that the strict regulations involved in being allowed to hunt has the side effect of them being more sensible than their French counterparts.
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We did briefly consider becoming very "clumsy" with leaving stuff lying around on our property, stuff that goes flash bang. People use all sorts of things to get rid of particularly tenacious tree stumps and my grandfather was an explosives specialist who passed down a lot of his knowledge to my Dad. Ultimately decided against it as some innocent kid or animal may happen upon it. And also because we are not homicidal maniacs, although it is difficult to take the high ground with such despicable specimens.

It's infuriating to be powerless against the omnipresent hunters' lobby, even the government refuses to touch any of their "rights" because they are such a vocal part of society. I'm very aware of the drinking tradition among hunters, I feel like that would be one law that they could pass and get general public approval. Some departements have actually prohibited drinking and hunting but it is not a general law. Mind you, since most hunters go hunting after they have driven to a certain spot by car, there would have to be at least one sober person among them...

Circling back to the original topic, hunting in Switzerland: By the way, there is also no prohibition to drink for hunters in Switzerland (to my knowledge, certainly not in Romandie). One hopes that the strict regulations involved in being allowed to hunt has the side effect of them being more sensible than their French counterparts.
There is a digestive in CZ that hunters drink but only after the hunt. The animals need to get regulated in the woods, all hunters I know are very ecolo and respect the nature, know ton about it, usually have Biology and Sci background. It pays very little, so family tradition and honor are the reasons they stick to their uniforms. I wonder if it's similar here.



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Kittster, the situation in France is just so dangerous and appalling, with private landowners and residents terrified of going out, even on their own property.
And hunters start in the morning with 'gnole' (cheap alcohol) and go on drinking all day- armed to the back teeth. Their methods are disgusting often, and they also continue 'vénerie sous terre' - like badger baiting and fighting in the vilest and most cruel of ways.

But the most worrying currently, is that they encourage numbers, with aritificial feeding, and even breeding to release. Recently, they have introduced new breeds of pigs from Asia to hybridise with wild boar, new illegal breeds of - without any veterinary controls at all - and threatening to spread disease to farm herds and all other wildlife, and possibley humans.
I have to be perfectly honest and say I know nothing about hunting in France, but this seems to be much the same lies that people spread about hunters here in Switzerland. Hunting was first on my radar when ZH was voting to implement a Geneva style ban on private hunting, and as I found out in the years since, the amount of sheer disinformation at the time was staggering. Instead of having a discussion where ideas can be approached from different viewpoints, they painted hunters as kill crazy drunks who shoot at anything. They sabotaged hunting stands, vandalized cars with stickers opposing the hunting ban, and destroyed signs all over the place. Meanwhile, where are they at 4 in the morning when a fox gets hit by a car? Are they helping farmers clear fawns from their fields before mowing using infrared drones? Are they advising the local farmers on non-lethal methods of protecting crops? Paying to keep the forest paths maintained and cleared? That campaign was basically solely responsible for my newfound respect of hunters and everything that they do, for free, that gets completely taken for granted and my growing disdain for the average "Tierschützer" who happily chow down on a bratwurst made from the meat and suffering of a dozen cows while their herd of outdoor cats decimate local wildlife in the most cruel and unnecessary way while calling a hunter who kills 3 or 4 animals a year barbaric. At least the vegan ones I feel have a legitimate argument to oppose hunting, but generally ignore all the animals that have to die in the production and protection of the vegan food that they eat...

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I don't know why people shoot such beautiful creatures of the wild. Let them be! If overpopulation bothers you so much, why not start by controlling human population and nature exploitation first?
Why not? You have a stable and well managed resource that increases annually by 50% (in the case of deer) and provides the healthiest meat with the least amount of suffering, practically zero negative environmental impact, no use of pesticides and no hormones. What do you think happens if people "leave them be"? Do you think they collectively decide to stop breeding? No, they breed until they have a massive population crash, with countless animals dying of starvation and disease. Still nothing in terms of suffering compared to factory farming, but far, far worse than a hunter's bullet.
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Nothing wrong with celebrating a good hunting day with a meal and plenty of booze. Very different to starting with 'gnole' at breakfast, continue to drink 'gnole' from hip flask all day long, and plenty of red wine followed by Armagnac, etc, with coffee, and on and on ...Most of the time, they shoot each other, which is fair enough- but often they shoot dogs, horses, cows, innocent walkers or cyclists, families ... which is ... NOT.
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''I have to be perfectly honest and say I know nothing about hunting in France, but this seems to be much the same lies that people spread about hunters here in Switzerland.''

totally different- 100%.
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''I have to be perfectly honest and say I know nothing about hunting in France, but this seems to be much the same lies that people spread about hunters here in Switzerland.''

totally different- 100%.
Yep, totally different - this happened just last year:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/04/briti...boar-13699449/

I have to admit, even as a Texan, I am terrified when I hear shots fired while walking in the forest. (Although I know the Swiss are good marksmen.)
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I have to be perfectly honest and say I know nothing about hunting in France, but this seems to be much the same lies that people spread about hunters here in Switzerland. Hunting was first on my radar when ZH was voting to implement a Geneva style ban on private hunting, and as I found out in the years since, the amount of sheer disinformation at the time was staggering. Instead of having a discussion where ideas can be approached from different viewpoints, they painted hunters as kill crazy drunks who shoot at anything. They sabotaged hunting stands, vandalized cars with stickers opposing the hunting ban, and destroyed signs all over the place. Meanwhile, where are they at 4 in the morning when a fox gets hit by a car? Are they helping farmers clear fawns from their fields before mowing using infrared drones? Are they advising the local farmers on non-lethal methods of protecting crops? Paying to keep the forest paths maintained and cleared? That campaign was basically solely responsible for my newfound respect of hunters and everything that they do, for free, that gets completely taken for granted and my growing disdain for the average "Tierschützer" who happily chow down on a bratwurst made from the meat and suffering of a dozen cows while their herd of outdoor cats decimate local wildlife in the most cruel and unnecessary way while calling a hunter who kills 3 or 4 animals a year barbaric. At least the vegan ones I feel have a legitimate argument to oppose hunting, but generally ignore all the animals that have to die in the production and protection of the vegan food that they eat...
I grew up in Texas where it really is a sport - a lazy sport, where they don't shoot to maintain any population and often don't eat the meat they shoot since it has been destroyed by the high power weapons they use. They will also bait the animals while sitting in a self built hut waiting for it to arrive. (Can you even call that sport?) I have a strong disdain for hunters simply because the personality behind it from where I come from, is someone I would normally disdain anyway. Growing up, our neighbor would torture my poor animal activist mother by hanging the deer he killed on the weekend from his tree in the front yard. He would wake up with a Word Wildlife Fund bumper sticker stuck on his pickup truck in protest.

I eat meat for nourishment, it is essential for my survival (not everyone, but is for me). I buy it from a farm where I have visited the animals and I know how they are treated. If I am unable to buy it from this farm, I have a local butcher where I know they source their meat from good places. I find battery farms to be even crueller than hunting, because the animal has never know a free and happy life. I am not perfect, I sometimes eat out where I am not sure where the meat was sourced and I am working to improve upon that.

I know there are traditions here and perhaps it is necessary to cull animal populations, and I respect that. But I find it absolutely obscene to shoot animals for fun. How is that fun? What the serious flipping eff is wrong with you that as a hobby, you enjoy killing animals?
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I know there are traditions here and perhaps it is necessary to cull animal populations, and I respect that. But I find it absolutely obscene to shoot animals for fun. How is that fun? What the serious flipping eff is wrong with you that as a hobby, you enjoy killing animals?
Well, this is how I see it. I love fishing, and it is indeed a hobby of mine. One could say, what kind of a person am I, that I love to kill animals? The reality of it is, actually killing fish is probably the part I like least, I don't like it at all. I don't mind cleaning them, I like cooking them, I love eating them. I love being in a river, casting a rod, seeing fish rise to a fly. At the same time, even though I killed a handful of fish a year, I spend many days during the year cleaning rivers, relocating thousands of trout from areas prone to drying up to safe areas, and placing boxes of fertilized eggs in rivers to combat the damage being caused to rivers by climate change and hydro power.

I'm not a hunter at this point in my life, but I imagine they are passionate in quite the same way, and actually provide tangible goods and services the public at large generally appreciates even if they don't know where it comes from, only subject to far more stringent rules and education and far more public vitriol than a mere fisherman such as myself.
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Well, this is how I see it. I love fishing, and it is indeed a hobby of mine. One could say, what kind of a person am I, that I love to kill animals? The reality of it is, actually killing fish is probably the part I like least, I don't like it at all. I don't mind cleaning them, I like cooking them, I love eating them. I love being in a river, casting a rod, seeing fish rise to a fly. At the same time, even though I killed a handful of fish a year, I spend many days during the year cleaning rivers, relocating thousand of trout from areas prone to drying up to safe areas, and placing boxes of fertilized eggs in rivers to combat the damage being cases to rivers by climate change and hydro power.

I'm not a hunter at this point in my life, but I imagine they are passionate in quite the same way, and actually provide tangible goods and services the public at large generally appreciates even if they don't know where it comes from, only subject to far more stringent rules and education and far more public vitriol than a mere fisherman such as myself.
You are the exception to the rule, sadly, and so is Switzerland. I believe you have far too romantic of a view of what most hunters are. I can understand the joy in fishing, more than shooting mammals. I tried it once, deep sea, and cried in agony for my father to throw the struggling fish back into the water. Some fishers can be barbaric, and I most definitely don't condone that.
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You are the exception to the rule, sadly, and so is Switzerland. I believe you have far too romantic of a view of what most hunters are. I can understand the joy in fishing, more than shooting mammals. I tried it once, deep sea, and cried in agony for my father to throw the struggling fish back into the water. Some fishers can be barbaric, and I most definitely don't condone that.
Dear Susie, I am not a hunter, (I have made my position clear on a post earlier) but I have gone hunting countless times with family and friends who are hunters in Spain.

I must respectfully, but strongly disagree. The "rule" is NOT what you state about hunters, and hunting techniques that you have experienced in TX.

I speak first hand, as I have also lived in TX (College Station, yes Aggie) for years.
What I have seen and experienced there (both hunting & fishing) is NOT hunting or fishing. I was disgusted seeing even more barbaric things, for example, throwing explosives to the water (!!), or hillbilly-fishing.

That is NOT hunting, it is like comparing barrel-racing (another TX passtime, that destroys the joints of the horses) to dressage. Please let's not confuse wheat with chaff.
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We did briefly consider becoming very "clumsy" with leaving stuff lying around on our property, stuff that goes flash bang. People use all sorts of things to get rid of particularly tenacious tree stumps and my grandfather was an explosives specialist who passed down a lot of his knowledge to my Dad. Ultimately decided against it as some innocent kid or animal may happen upon it. And also because we are not homicidal maniacs, although it is difficult to take the high ground with such despicable specimens.

It's infuriating to be powerless against the omnipresent hunters' lobby, even the government refuses to touch any of their "rights" because they are such a vocal part of society. I'm very aware of the drinking tradition among hunters, I feel like that would be one law that they could pass and get general public approval. Some departements have actually prohibited drinking and hunting but it is not a general law. Mind you, since most hunters go hunting after they have driven to a certain spot by car, there would have to be at least one sober person among them...

Circling back to the original topic, hunting in Switzerland: By the way, there is also no prohibition to drink for hunters in Switzerland (to my knowledge, certainly not in Romandie). One hopes that the strict regulations involved in being allowed to hunt has the side effect of them being more sensible than their French counterparts.
I have tripwires with blanks on one property... but those are to scare animals off...

You could always do something similar, wouldn't kill /harm anyone, but definitely give them a fright...


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scaring drunk huntsmen armed to the backteeth on your property could well result in accidents too- as they panic. Near misses on private property, from within or from outside, are so frequent already.
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scaring drunk huntsmen armed to the backteeth on your property could well result in accidents too- as they panic. Near misses on private property, from within or from outside, are so frequent already.
I don't know what kind of drunk hunters shoot back when they hear a gunshot, unless those French deer have started tooling up.

Spinal, if you manage to go through the whole hunting licence rigmarole, I'd be happy to get some boar off you.
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Dear Susie, I am not a hunter, (I have made my position clear on a post earlier) but I have gone hunting countless times with family and friends who are hunters in Spain.

I must respectfully, but strongly disagree. The "rule" is NOT what you state about hunters, and hunting techniques that you have experienced in TX.

I speak first hand, as I have also lived in TX (College Station, yes Aggie) for years.
What I have seen and experienced there (both hunting & fishing) is NOT hunting or fishing. I was disgusted seeing even more barbaric things, for example, throwing explosives to the water (!!), or hillbilly-fishing.

That is NOT hunting, it is like comparing barrel-racing (another TX passtime, that destroys the joints of the horses) to dressage. Please let's not confuse wheat with chaff.

Yes I am aware, which is why I spoke of my natural prejudice towards hunters ... I don't know enough about them here in Europe to be honest, but I still don't understand why shooting animals is considered to be fun.

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I do not have any particular love for hunters, but I do think that the over population of these large beasts has to be prevented somehow because they are a danger to traffic and they grub up large amounts of crops and lawns (looking for earthwoms, apparently).

At the same time, I like the idea of rewilding, so, as so often, it's complicated.

I put "chasse aux sangliers" into Youtube and found several "lads day out" type videos showing wild boars being shot cleanly. No sign of the horrible scenes suggested by some posts here. Which is not to say that they do not exist, but they do not seem to be the rule, as these videos do not look like carefully shot pro-hunter propaganda.
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Complicated indeed- and as said, very different in France to Switzerland.

Look at the ASPAS site.
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I do not have any particular love for hunters, but I do think that the over population of these large beasts has to be prevented somehow because they are a danger to traffic and they grub up large amounts of crops and lawns (looking for earthwoms, apparently).
They destroyed landing strip (lawn) of my friend's aviation airfield. They are pita, no cute safari.
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Complicated indeed- and as said, very different in France to Switzerland.

Look at the ASPAS site.
Is that an objective site? (I can't read french) There are some organizations in Switzerland that are critical of hunting, and rightfully so in some cases, but fair, and other that are fanatical and lie to people who don't want to know the truth, but only want the image they have in their heads of a drunk maniac laughing maniacally while shooting bambi confirmed. (I have had nothing but positive interactions with hunters in the 15 years I've lived here)
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