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Giroflex 64, they are fantastic ergonomic desk chairs and widely used in Swiss offices. https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/buerostu...64-1167580042/
I borrowed a giroflex 68 from the office, the same one I've been sitting since 2017. I have no complains, good back support, robust wheels, not so pricey considering it's a new one and locally manufactured https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s12/produc...stuhl-12751246

I'd assume employers would let take employees take some things home to work comfortably. Along the chair I took 2 screens, keyboard, mouse, books from our "library".
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I borrowed a giroflex 68 from the office, the same one I've been sitting since 2017. I have no complains, good back support, robust wheels, not so pricey considering it's a new one and locally manufactured https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s12/produc...stuhl-12751246

I'd assume employers would let take employees take some things home to work comfortably. Along the chair I took 2 screens, keyboard, mouse, books from our "library".
We had this discussion and your assumption was not correct for very large companies that have hotdesking. They often don't give out furniture and equipment to take home.
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Am quite happy with mine. Even has a five-star review.
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We had this discussion and your assumption was not correct for very large companies that have hotdesking. They often don't give out furniture and equipment to take home.
Is anyone working on hot desks now? I may be disconnected from the office environment now. Last I remember the home office recommendation stays in place.
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Some years ago, as some may remember, I smashed myself up quite badly in a motorbike accident, breaking most of my vertebrae and ribs. As a result my seating requirements were (and still are, to some extent) quite different from those addressed by the vast majority of 'orthopaedic' office chairs.

My employer (or perhaps the accident insurance, in the end) was quite happy to pay, so I was sent to a couple of places in Basel, ending up at what I think is now called "Basler Orthopädie René Ruepp AG" (may not have had that name at the time, but google maps shows it in the right place and the pictures look right).

Anyway, they had a huge selection of chairs, not a single one of which felt right, and they were struggling to find one, until I got my physio to draw a sketch of what was actually needed, including the non-upright back and neck support allowing me to sit for a long period without the pain getting too bad in the shoulders and neck. They were then able to find one that met my needs, and got a demo in the shop for me to try, then leant it to me while they ordered one from the manufacturer.

I still have the chair, having reasoned that the company would have no use for it once I'd 'retired', but it's at the other house so I can't find its name or any pictures. It's completely unlike any that I have seen from following previous links or googling, with the seat base itself 'floating' on springs making it completely independent of the swivel/support mechanism, able to move back or forward, tilt in either direction, as well as the more usual up and down functions. The chair back has adjustable lumbar support and can itself be raised or lowered, as well as the normal type of sprung tilt/lock in any position action.

There's more to it even than that, neck and arm supports multi-way adjustable as well, and in all honesty is the most comfortable office chair I've ever sat it. Cost around 3500 chffs, IIRC. My normal position would leaning quite far back with my neck and elbows fully supported, wrists resting on the desk. The company's ergonomics people used to give up in frustration when they saw how I used to sit, but I'd just wave a medical note or two at them to get them to leave me be.

So the main reason I started to write this was to point out that the 'normal' approach to what an office chair and the ideal working position wrt desk and keyboard _should_ be like may not always be suitable for everyone, and that 'back problems' come in various types, a fact often overlooked. If you can't find one that works properly for you, and the experts are telling you how you should sit even though that may be painful for you, it's worth persevering - there will be a better solution if you look hard and long enough.
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Is anyone working on hot desks now? I may be disconnected from the office environment now. Last I remember the home office recommendation stays in place.
It was a somewhat fruitless and circular discussion the last time you tried it, so lets just let this drop rather than waste time and energy debating subjective views on what large companies should be giving to their employees. While in an ideal world we would have been given everything we needed, the reality is often something else. End of story.
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It was a somewhat fruitless and circular discussion the last time you tried it, so lets just let this drop rather than waste time and energy debating subjective views on what large companies should be giving to their employees. While in an ideal world we would have been given everything we needed, the reality is often something else. End of story.
So, what's the reality?
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Some years ago, as some may remember, I smashed myself up quite badly in a motorbike accident, breaking most of my vertebrae and ribs. As a result my seating requirements were (and still are, to some extent) quite different from those addressed by the vast majority of 'orthopaedic' office chairs.

My employer (or perhaps the accident insurance, in the end) was quite happy to pay, so I was sent to a couple of places in Basel, ending up at what I think is now called "Basler Orthopädie René Ruepp AG" (may not have had that name at the time, but google maps shows it in the right place and the pictures look right).

Anyway, they had a huge selection of chairs, not a single one of which felt right, and they were struggling to find one, until I got my physio to draw a sketch of what was actually needed, including the non-upright back and neck support allowing me to sit for a long period without the pain getting too bad in the shoulders and neck. They were then able to find one that met my needs, and got a demo in the shop for me to try, then leant it to me while they ordered one from the manufacturer.

I still have the chair, having reasoned that the company would have no use for it once I'd 'retired', but it's at the other house so I can't find its name or any pictures. It's completely unlike any that I have seen from following previous links or googling, with the seat base itself 'floating' on springs making it completely independent of the swivel/support mechanism, able to move back or forward, tilt in either direction, as well as the more usual up and down functions. The chair back has adjustable lumbar support and can itself be raised or lowered, as well as the normal type of sprung tilt/lock in any position action.

There's more to it even than that, neck and arm supports multi-way adjustable as well, and in all honesty is the most comfortable office chair I've ever sat it. Cost around 3500 chffs, IIRC. My normal position would leaning quite far back with my neck and elbows fully supported, wrists resting on the desk. The company's ergonomics people used to give up in frustration when they saw how I used to sit, but I'd just wave a medical note or two at them to get them to leave me be.

So the main reason I started to write this was to point out that the 'normal' approach to what an office chair and the ideal working position wrt desk and keyboard _should_ be like may not always be suitable for everyone, and that 'back problems' come in various types, a fact often overlooked. If you can't find one that works properly for you, and the experts are telling you how you should sit even though that may be painful for you, it's worth persevering - there will be a better solution if you look hard and long enough.
Agree that people are different and not every chair will suit everyone, but your unfortunate situation is also an outlier.

How did everything heal, are you more or less back to 90%?

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Agree that people are different and not every chair will suit everyone, but your situation is also clearly an outlier.
Absolutely, but even so there were some 'experts' suggesting that I _should_ be using the type of ergonomic chair they'd been trained to think of as best all round.

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How did everything heal, are you more or less back to 90%?
75%, perhaps. Some activities will cause me pain and I can't do a full day of manual labour, like painting or bricolage, without needing several days to recover. Half a day is fine, skiing is fine, having learned how to do it with minimum effort and maximum technique.

I have long-term pain, some of which is muscle/joint specific, some consistent with what's termed fibromyalgia, which is not well understood but could also be due to knock-on effects from the injury.

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75%, perhaps. Some activities will cause me pain and I can't do a full day of manual labour, like painting or bricolage, without needing several days to recover. Half a day is fine, skiing is fine, having learned how to do it with minimum effort and maximum technique.

I have long-term pain, some of which is muscle/joint specific, some consistent with what's termed fibromyalgia, which is not well understood but could also be due to knock-on effects from the injury.
Shit that is brutal and I am sorry to hear it... my dad has started motorbiking again in his late sixties and I have to admit it worries the hell out of me.
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Shit that is brutal and I am sorry to hear it... my dad has started motorbiking again in his late sixties and I have to admit it worries the hell out of me.
I stopped riding straight away (well of course I did, but I mean I stayed stopped after I got out of hospital) but I don't feel inclined to suggest that anyone else should do so. The fact was that I always rode like a cxxt and I had just been getting away with it for 30-odd years. Some people are happy riding bikes slowly, I never was and never would be, so recognising that fact, and therefore that to continue to ride would be putting my life on the line every time meant that I could put it behind me and move on.

For context's sake I would have been doing something like 250kph leading up to the accident.
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I stopped riding straight away (well of course I did, but I mean I stayed stopped after I got out of hospital) but I don't feel inclined to suggest that anyone else should do so. The fact was that I always rode like a cxxt and I had just been getting away with it for 30-odd years. Some people are happy riding bikes slowly, I never was and never would be, so recognising that fact, and therefore that to continue to ride would be putting my life on the line every time meant that I could put it behind me and move on.

For context's sake I would have been doing something like 250kph leading up to the accident.
that's exactly why i don't ride. except occasional pottering on the vincent which is too old and too valuable to ride like a cxxt! cars are so much safer than bikes. even old cars.

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that's exactly why i don't ride. except occasional pottering on the vincent
Oooh, what model? What'll it do Mister?

I always fancied a Black Lightning - I mean, who wouldn't? Even a standard Shadow would have done. But a large part of that would always have been because they were so fast. Back when I started riding the Brit twins had only just been overtaken by Honda and Kawasaki 4-cyl machines, and I remember being amazed that there had long been bikes around that were, at least in outright top speed, as fast as the latest Jap machines.
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That's NowyStyl, they also sell it in Switzerland as SITAG.

https://www.sitag.ch/en/

Damn, I wanted to check their chairs. One day I called them to check if their office in Nyon is open and have the chairs to try on the spot. To my surprise someone answered the phone in German and in a quick chat it turned out the umber listed on the web was somewhere from the eastern Switzerland. Nonetheless they assured me that the chairs are available in the Nyon store. When I arrived in Nyon the store was closed and completely empty, I could see through the glass. There was some some intercom which I activated and I heard again the same person. She apologized that she wasn't informed Well I didn't bother anymore with this brand/seller.

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I have this one at work, and it is honestly the best chair I ever sat in (on?) in my life.
https://www.rohde-grahl.com/index.php?x-duo_back_en

Contemplating every now and then how can I pull it home.
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Oooh, what model? What'll it do Mister?

I always fancied a Black Lightning - I mean, who wouldn't? Even a standard Shadow would have done. But a large part of that would always have been because they were so fast. Back when I started riding the Brit twins had only just been overtaken by Honda and Kawasaki 4-cyl machines, and I remember being amazed that there had long been bikes around that were, at least in outright top speed, as fast as the latest Jap machines.
'even a standard shadow'. haha.

mine is a series C rapide but with a shadow spec engine, carbs and shadow brakes. missing the big shadow speedo though
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