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Re: Läderach USA: any good?

Laderach used to be my choice for family gifts too, now I changed them for Bachman and for special occasions Max Chocolaterie, which is something special IMHO (but also expensive ).



Of course I am not researching every business about their ethical polices, but when I see one, that is so strongly against my values, it is not that hard to boycott them. Switzerland is full of great chocolate producers.
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Re: Läderach USA: any good?

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OP - I just sent some local chocolate to the US, it took 5wks.
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Laderach used to be my choice for family gifts too, now I changed them for Bachman and for special occasions Max Chocolaterie, which is something special IMHO (but also expensive ).



Of course I am not researching every business about their ethical polices, but when I see one, that is so strongly against my values, it is not that hard to boycott them. Switzerland is full of great chocolate producers.
This.

And the fact that the company is completely unapologetic about any of their ownership's terrible views and strong involvement in getting those views turned into law means I will continue to give them grief.

To suggest that one can only choose a specific hill to die on if one is prepared to die on all the hills is just silly and lazy thinking. As for knee-jerking out the snowflake response because someone speaks out against a dodgy company, well, that signals something too and it's not a good look.
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I don't. I just genuinely fail to understand why people feel like virtue signalling just because they stopped eating chocolate, while enjoying all the comforts of the west.
They didn't stop eating chocolate. They stopped eating Läderach chocolate.

There are plenty of other local chocolate manufacturers to support.

Not sure what you've got against virtue signalling*? On a larger scale, it's what ended Apartheid in South Africa.

* Ridiculous phrase anyway.
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Re: Läderach USA: any good?

Spotted on my last visit to NY in 2019.

Chocolate looks exactly the same but didn't bother to taste.
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Re: Läderach USA: any good?

It is one thing to have your private opinions as a business owner, but it is an entirely different circumstance to be a leading member/treasurer of a group like Christianity Today & March for Life. If the CEO of the company wants to make his opinions so well known and use his power towards their advancement, he should be open to criticism and boycotting.

But if we really want to boycott all businesses with bad opinions and behavior, I am afraid there won't be any left.
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They didn't stop eating chocolate. They stopped eating Läderach chocolate.

There are plenty of other local chocolate manufacturers to support.

Not sure what you've got against virtue signalling*? On a larger scale, it's what ended Apartheid in South Africa.

* Ridiculous phrase anyway.
And I completely agree with you.

But seeing people hijacking a chocolate recommendation thread just to state that they don't buy that chocolate because they don't support misogynistic, homophobic businesses, makes me thinking.

That statement was written from some piece of hardware run by a CPU, built with some mined (probably in inhumane conditions) Silicon/Group 11 elements, then they are shipped in large cargo ships using bunker fuel, which has a pretty high chance to come from Saudi Arabia, a quite homophobic and misogynistic country.

So yeah, it's not that they don't support misogynistic, homophobic businesses in general, it's just that it's easier to stop eating Läderach and show-off* your virtue in a non-related thread, than to stop using your phone and your car. This is a kind of behaviour that gets more and more common.

*You prefer show-off, perhaps? I do for sure.
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Old 05.05.2021, 16:17
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But seeing people hijacking a chocolate recommendation thread just to state that they don't buy that chocolate because they don't support misogynistic, homophobic businesses, makes me thinking.

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Hijacking - the unlawful seizing of an aircraft or ship, sometimes by force - quite often with disastrous consequences such as death for all onboard.

Contrast that with a thread about chocolate quality stating that one will no longer buy a particular chocolate brand....

Some people may be "virtue signalling" (whatever that means) but others are using language (on the same thread) purposely to mislead and provide greater gravitas to their minor argument.
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Old 05.05.2021, 16:27
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Re: Läderach USA: any good?

Here's a thought: what if the person receiving the gift also feels strongly about the issues we've mentioned here? Maybe the OP wasn't aware of this issue and would also rather not patronise these fundamentalists?

Maybe I should have worded my post differently: "I would never buy their chocolate and I would be upset if someone gave me any of their products as a gift." Obviously I am not a complete savage and would not say anything at the time, but you can bet there will be a not so subtle mention of my dislike of the company at some appropriately delayed juncture.

And before you oh so liberal and cynical people start telling I should be grateful to get anything at all - the thing is that I am absolutely fine with not getting anything if it means I don't have to fake happiness or gratitude. I also refuse to keep things that I don't like just because they were a gift. The purpose of a gift is to delight the recipient, not to make you buy the rights to a certain response or for you to see the item when you visit (i.e. storing it at my place for your enjoyment rather than mine), otherwise it's not actually a gift. My social media profile pics lean heavily towards the inclusion of some form of rainbow, so buying me Läderach chocolate would be ignorant at best.
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Interesting, the only way you could get me to eat Läderach is to have it anywhere near me, or if I was passing the factory down in Glarus, or maybe, and this is at a push, if I bought it from the store.

I'm still working on my ability to associate business owners with their products. But that chocolate is fantastic.
When you do, please get me the Himbeere-Brombeere weiss, I could live on that stuff.
And I didn't even know Läderach before EF.

The question was if the US-branch is any good, the political part belongs in the other thread?
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Re: Läderach USA: any good?

I'd never heard of Läderach before that thread. Glad I did though - it is really very good.
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When you do, please get me the Himbeere-Brombeere weiss, I could live on that stuff.
Dark chocolate with gebrannte Mandeln FTW
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I want to send some nice chocolate to someone in the US. I’m wary of sending it from Switzerland because of the cost and risk of melting. I see Läderach has a US presence and (presumably) produces chocolate for shipping domestically. Has anyone tried this? Does it taste like Läderach from Switzerland?

Obviously chocolate from both the US and Swiss branches fulfil some criteria for “Swiss chocolate“ but I wanted to check the US version isn’t Hersheyized or something :-)
Hey OP, have you been re-educated enough by now?
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Re: Läderach USA: any good?

I have some small knowledge of the subject..Läderach is quite good and when I lived in England and used to visit the home town of the other half always used to buy some of the almond and caramelised hazelnut slabs.
However, they purchase their best quality chocolates ( the grand cru’s ) from Felchlin in Ibach. Felchlin as a b to b business is generally unknown among the great unwashed, even in Switzerland ( as opposed to the b to b businesses ) Felchlin has a factory store where in addition to having their own products for sale some of the best confectioners in CH have their products displayed.
They are a big step up quality wise from Läderach...though sadly with commensurate pricing.
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Hey OP, have you been re-educated enough by now?
Not yet, OP still has not talked about the decaying West, that would be a sign of successful re-education

Back to the topic, OP (refrigerator) check if there are some import tariffs. One thing is traveling and taking the chocolates with you and a whole different thing to send them. Check before unintentionally sending a huge invoice to your loved one.
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Not yet, OP still has not talked about the decaying West, that would be a sign of successful re-education

Back to the topic, OP (refrigerator) check if there are some import tariffs. One thing is traveling and taking the chocolates with you and a whole different thing to send them. Check before unintentionally sending a huge invoice to your loved one.
I believe they have already thought of that, which is why they are asking about the quality of the chocolate sold by the US branch.
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Re: Läderach USA: any good?

Here's the definitive answer for the OP:

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Läderach – chocolatier suisse has stood for top-quality handcrafted Swiss chocolate specialties since 1962. The family company has more than 1000 employees and is headquartered in the canton of Glarus in Switzerland. Since September 2012, Läderach has been producing its own chocolate mass. This means that they are one of the few premium producers that can guarantee sustainable quality from the cocoa bean to the end product.

The company produces exclusively in Switzerland. Their artisanal chocolate products first of all the original FrischSchoggiTM (fresh chocolate) are currently sold in over 100 Läderach chocolateries in Switzerland, Germany, the UK, the USA and Canada, as through sales partners in the Middle East and Asia. To learn more, visit www.laderach.com.
From here
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Re: Läderach USA: any good?

I'm still on the fence about boycotting Läderach chocolate. They offer equal employment opportunities to many people in Glarnerland and their chocolate is undeniably delicious. However, I understand the issue with ethics, especially since the family supports extreme Christian views through donations, etc.
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I'm still on the fence about boycotting Läderach chocolate. They offer equal employment opportunities to many people in Glarnerland and their chocolate is undeniably delicious. However, I understand the issue with ethics, especially since the family supports extreme Christian views through donations, etc.
Isn't that just a point of law?
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Isn't that just a point of law?
Of course. My intention was to underline the point that their personal views do not affect their professional ethics. (which was specifically pointed out to me by a former Läderach employee)
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