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It's much more problematic if it's not been treated soon after infection. I've a friend who was bitten nearly ten years ago - it was diagnosed seven years ago, and finally dealt with about five years ago. However, it has caused permanent damage that means she still suffers. It's really nasty.

If you get a bulls-eye rash after a bite, get treatment. The trouble is, you don't always know you've been bitten, and you don't always know that you've been infected.
It is not always shaped like that in its incipient phase. It could be just some red(ish ) patch/stripe that doesn't go away in a week. Not itchy. A visit to a dermatologist is a very good idea and saves one from a lot of headaches.
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It's much more problematic if it's not been treated soon after infection. I've a friend who was bitten nearly ten years ago - it was diagnosed seven years ago, and finally dealt with about five years ago. However, it has caused permanent damage that means she still suffers. It's really nasty.

If you get a bulls-eye rash after a bite, get treatment. The trouble is, you don't always know you've been bitten, and you don't always know that you've been infected.
Uf, you mean you won't see any rash or anything at the bite spot? I somehow remembered that you'll see something, and that it's important not to downplay it, and that bullseye look is common in Europe and then it's a sure sign.

I think I've read that there's a test that can be done if you suspect infection? But they don't do it if they see bullseye, since that's a confirmation on its own.

How did this friend then decipher she was bitten 10 years ago but only diagnosed 7 years ago? Did it really took 3 years to diagnose or what? If you're comfortable sharing?
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Re: Ticks in Switzerland

Thanks everybody for sharing your thoughts and advices! I appreciate it!

In order to have peace of mind, and since a person can be unaware of being infected, a monthly routine check at the doctor can be a good idea. I just wonder if there are tests that can easily tell if you had been infected with Lyme or borrelia?
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Thanks everybody for sharing your thoughts and advices! I appreciate it!

In order to have peace of mind, and since a person can be unaware of being infected, a monthly routine check at the doctor can be a good idea. I just wonder if there are tests that can easily tell if you had been infected with Lyme or borrelia?
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Thanks everybody for sharing your thoughts and advices! I appreciate it!

In order to have peace of mind, and since a person can be unaware of being infected, a monthly routine check at the doctor can be a good idea. I just wonder if there are tests that can easily tell if you had been infected with Lyme or borrelia?
Absolutely not necessary. It's a waste of time and resources.

Lyme comes with a series of symptoms and it's curable (or ameliorable).

What you can do is get the vaccine and check your skin after walking in the forest.
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It is not always shaped like that in its incipient phase. It could be just some red(ish ) patch/stripe that doesn't go away in a week. Not itchy.
This is correct.

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Uf, you mean you won't see any rash or anything at the bite spot?
If it was on the back of your leg and not itchy - or on your scalp (rare, but can happen), you might miss it. The bullseye is rarely a false positive - but it isn't always there or obvious.

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How did this friend then decipher she was bitten 10 years ago but only diagnosed 7 years ago? Did it really took 3 years to diagnose or what? If you're comfortable sharing?
First of all, symptoms of lethergy and generalised pain in joints. Eventually, she was tested for Lyme, and tested positive. Lyme can be difficult to detect as the bugs hide away in biofilms in peripheral parts of the body. This also makes it difficult to treat once it's got a hold - which is why recover took quite a while once treatment started. Any long term bacterial infection can cause damage to the infected part, so even when the infection is gone, pain can remain.

Definitely some cases of ME have turned out to by Lyme.

There is a lab in Germany that has a process that has a 97% chance of picking up an established infection.

A Lyme vaccine would be a very good thing.
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Absolutely not necessary. It's a waste of time and resources.
Spot-on.

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Nikblik, while one should not ignore the issue, one should not overreact either.

Given your comments on wanting testing without being bitten, I would urge you to discuss your fears with your GP. Perhaps a qualified medical opinion will put your mind at ease.
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Re: Ticks in Switzerland

Ticks are by no means a Swiss speciality.

A friend caught Lyme disease from a tick walking in Warwickshire (UK). She has now recovered but it took many months and medication...
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"Most Swiss [don't] even think about it" because they are vaccinated. It is not a matter of being "super cautious". It just makes sense to get the vaccination, since FSME is not curable (you can only treat the symptons):

"In 5 to 15% of patients, the central nervous system is affected after a symptom-free period, with symptoms such as headaches, photophobia, dizziness, and impaired concentration and walking. These can last for weeks to months. In some patients, paralysis of the arms, legs or facial nerves may occur and lead to permanent disability. In approximately 1% of cases with neurological symptoms, the disease leads to death."
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home...lick/fsme.html
Def get the vaccine. I contracted FSME 2 summers ago and it wasn't pleasant. I had to wait for full recovery to get the vaccine, but you can be damn sure I got it. .

I still hike at every opportunity and shower immediately upon returning home and toss the clothes into the washer. It's about risk mitigation, and getting out into those mountains as much as possible!
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Re: Ticks in Switzerland

If you do get bitten or have the "bulls eye" (do a google images), you can probably just go to your GP for a round of antibiotics and nip the problem in the bud right away.



The challenge is to catch it quickly and get treatment early. The challenge is sometimes the "bulls eye" hasn't formed and you don't know you have been bitten, so it's good to try to be aware and keep an eye on tick-prone situations.



However, just for general information, here's the info one of the foremost experts on ticks and lyme disease in CH. He really follows, tracks and stores data/specimens/etc on what is happening in CH on the topic of treatment, ticks, lyme disease, seasonal trends, etc. but also has a general hausartz practice:


Dr. Norbert Satz

Poststrasse 5
8001 Zürich
044 212 73 70


He is very diligent, informed and charming. He also has been practicing medicine in ZH for quite some time, knows who-is-who and is great for asking for referrals / recommendations to other doctors for other specialties / health problems. One or two of his reception staff speak English.


Hope this is helpful,



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Re: Ticks in Switzerland

My understanding is that it is near epidemic levels in the UK, and public health will not recognize chronic Lyme as being real. Not much better in the USA, but recognition of chronic Lyme is gaining momentum. Another problem with Lyme is it is often accompanied by other bacteria that can be equally deadly as well as difficult to diagnose.

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Ticks are by no means a Swiss speciality.

A friend caught Lyme disease from a tick walking in Warwickshire (UK). She has now recovered but it took many months and medication...

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Well, reading this thread will definitely make me get a vaccination this year. Have procrastinated about it since years, but it seems like a sensible precaution, especially if you are regularly outdoors in nature. Thanks EFers for helping come to this decision!
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Spot-on.

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Nikblik, while one should not ignore the issue, one should not overreact either.

Given your comments on wanting testing without being bitten, I would urge you to discuss your fears with your GP. Perhaps a qualified medical opinion will put your mind at ease.
You're right, will do it definitely!
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Def get the vaccine. I contracted FSME 2 summers ago and it wasn't pleasant. I had to wait for full recovery to get the vaccine, but you can be damn sure I got it. .

I still hike at every opportunity and shower immediately upon returning home and toss the clothes into the washer. It's about risk mitigation, and getting out into those mountains as much as possible!
Nice routine, I'll copy the idea and do the same upon returning home! Thanks for sharing
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Re: Ticks in Switzerland

I was told it's actually the dryer that kills them more than the washer.

When not full of blood, they are the size of a pencil dot, so impossible to notice with the naked eye.
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Re: Ticks in Switzerland

I‘ve been bitten several times but never had a rash, perhaps since I always found the beasties quickly. The risk for borreliosis transmission is very low if the tick has only been hanging on to you for a few hours. It rises over time. A friend was unfortunate enough to have one lodge itself in his navel. He never noticed it until a classic red ring appeared. At that point, a blood test confirms the diagnosis. Any GP can do that and prescribe the necessary medication. Best to save the likes of Dr Satz for complex cases. (He must be well over seventy by now - is he still practising?) And I can only echo the FSME shot recommendation.
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I‘ve been bitten several times but never had a rash, perhaps since I always found the beasties quickly. The risk for borreliosis transmission is very low if the tick has only been hanging on to you for a few hours. It rises over time. A friend was unfortunate enough to have one lodge itself in his navel. He never noticed it until a classic red ring appeared. At that point, a blood test confirms the diagnosis. Any GP can do that and prescribe the necessary medication. Best to save the likes of Dr Satz for complex cases. (He must be well over seventy by now - is he still practising?) And I can only echo the FSME shot recommendation.
One of our kids had the same, although if you get the rash they don't need to do a blood test.

The blood test is recommended if you find a tick that's been present for more than a few hours and then get any symptoms (flu / bad cold like) in the next few days, except the rash which is diagnostic on its own.
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Re: Ticks in Switzerland

FYI
https://lenews.ch/2021/05/06/ticks-a...to-be-careful/
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Lost count of the number of ticks my dog has brought home in the last few days (30+ I've found crawling on him). Fortunately due to his tablets I've not found an embedded one yet.
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Hi everybody,

I recently moved to Switzerland and have discovered that almost every Canton is a risk area for ticks, which is really a surprise for me. I'm glad that there is a vaccine for one of the diseases, but overall, I'm a bit concerned since I really like to go hiking.
I still think that is not a big problem because I didn't hear stories about ticks from people, and a lot of persons are still going hiking, so maybe ticks are not that common.

Is there a way for a country to defeat this problem or at least decrease it?

May I ask you feedbacks/ stories about this topic, and should I be concerned going hiking? Thanks
Hey, wouldn't it be cool if we already had a ton of threads about ticks? Oh wait, we do https://www.englishforum.ch/search2.php?q=ticks
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