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I was going to join the procrastinators club, but I just kept putting it off.
What a shame, we need more members
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I'm not really into procrastination. Rather, procrastination is into me. I'm also not that much into translation due to my inability to think in more than one language at any given time. But faced with more important tasks, I'm more than willing to give translation a go.

I'd never come across "Die Seele baumeln lassen" before. It does sound rather more charming than “letting your soul dangle” though, don't you think? But I quite agree with you, in a hotel blurb it'd bring out the worst in me.

Thank you for alerting me.
Nice that you think a cliché Tsherman phrase is more charming than my English translation “let your arse hang out – there’s nothing better to do anyway” and apologies if I conflated your mention of procrastination with badly translated hotel blurbs
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Old 29.06.2021, 18:37
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Procrastinating or being lazy? 6 Scientifically Proven Benefits of Being Lazy
I was going to check out your link but i couldn't be are*ed with all that login palaver. However, I found this:
https://nesslabs.com/benefits-of-laziness

I reckon I'm tactically lazy, which makes me feel rather good about myself. Haven't quite reached the levels of wheel or bicycle inventions, but I have invented quite a lot of stuff. Unfortunately, due to laziness, they didn't make it onto the drawing board. But they are in my head, ready to go.
"“I’m lazy. But it’s the lazy people who invented the wheel and the bicycle because they didn’t like walking or carrying things,” said Nobel Peace Prize laureate Lech Wałęsa. Be more like Lech Wałęsa. Be tactically lazy."
Thanks to you, I found this website which will help me no end in nailing this procrastination business once and for all.
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Hahahaha, that is a great saying. Let one's soul wander, no? I see it as when one's mind goes wool-gathering. That's when procrastinating is very useful.

Procrastinating or being lazy? 6 Scientifically Proven Benefits of Being Lazy
Please explain "wool-gathering" to woolly-minded me
=> but only when you don't have any important procrastination on the agenda
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Nice that you think a cliché Tsherman phrase is more charming than my English translation “let your arse hang out – there’s nothing better to do anyway” and apologies if I conflated your mention of procrastination with badly translated hotel blurbs
Oh please, don't get me wrong, “let your arse hang out – there’s nothing better to do anyway” is absolutely perfect in so many ways. Don't know if charming is the right word, but it's perfect in its visual and philosophical interpretation.

And please keep the badly translated hotel blurbs coming, the night is still young.
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Please explain "wool-gathering" to woolly-minded me
=> but only when you don't have any important procrastination on the agenda
I do - so brain fodder will explain, they do a fine job https://brainfodder.org/mind-wandering-benefits/
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And people can get touchy if you say The Ukraine instead of Ukraine:

https://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/
My father still says "the Argentine"... rhyming with "line" of course.

Getting back to Switzerland, some of us who should know better - myself included - will happily get caught out saying things like "did you watch the Swiss game yesterday evening", whereas I don't think we would say "are you watching the English game tonight?"
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People argue here that word usage changes all the time.

If enough people use the word Swiss as slang to describe Switzerland then that may become accepted practice.

There is a certain logic to it as it is an anglicised version of "Suisse".

But if people accept that no change is allowed, can they please refer to Australia not as Australia, certainly not as Oz but as New Holland.
Plenty of people thought eating Tide Pods was a good idea and even more people are happy to drop litter wherever they go. Let's not adjust to ignorant people, m'kay?
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Plenty of people thought eating Tide Pods was a good idea and even more people are happy to drop litter wherever they go. Let's not adjust to ignorant people, m'kay?
I'm not adjusting. I use the word Switzerland.

I'm just saying it may be out of our hands and may happen anyway. It's one of those things.

Loads of words have new, additional and/or different meanings over time.

I'm commenting and not passing judgement.
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Re: Swiss or Switzerland?

If the French can shorten Confederation Suisse to Suisse (which I do find odd) then I don't see why one can't shorten Swiss Confederation to Swiss.
en Suisse -> in Swiss isn't such a jump.

Everyone knows what it means when people write this. Pointing out that it's wrong usually doesn't have any relevance to the original post and as someone else pointed out is contrary to the forum rules.

If you want to get picky shouldn't we all be using Basle instead of Basel? Incidentally Basle being pronounced not like Basel but as the way an Englander might pronounce the French name Bale ("barl")
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If the French can shorten Confederation Suisse to Suisse (which I do find odd) then I don't see why one can't shorten Swiss Confederation to Swiss.
en Suisse -> in Swiss isn't such a jump.

Everyone knows what it means when people write this. Pointing out that it's wrong usually doesn't have any relevance to the original post and as someone else pointed out is contrary to the forum rules.

If you want to get picky shouldn't we all be using Basle instead of Basel? Incidentally Basle being pronounced not like Basel but as the way an Englander might pronounce the French name Bale ("barl")
We could also finally settle the historical dispute over the " basil" pronunciation (such important erb):



Oregano is somewhat rarer on my plate, so whatevs.

Otherwise, I think reminding the community that knitpickiness isn't polite is very constructive. Thank you, Landers.
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If the French can shorten Confederation Suisse to Suisse (which I do find odd) then I don't see why one can't shorten Swiss Confederation to Swiss.
en Suisse -> in Swiss isn't such a jump.

Everyone knows what it means when people write this. Pointing out that it's wrong usually doesn't have any relevance to the original post and as someone else pointed out is contrary to the forum rules.

If you want to get picky shouldn't we all be using Basle instead of Basel? Incidentally Basle being pronounced not like Basel but as the way an Englander might pronounce the French name Bale ("barl")
I prefer to know when I am unwittingly doing something wrong. And it is wrong.
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Otherwise, I think reminding the community that knitpickiness isn't polite is very constructive. Thank you, Landers.
Okay, if I get this right, correcting an obvious error is knit picking and therefore impolite.
However, doubling down on an error – insisting that lazy entitlement (I can’t be bothered, the rest of the world will catch up) is the trendy (how about “da Swizzzz”?) way to go – is fine?
Just curious and wondering how Landers’ next Britsh [sic] misconception that the Frenchs [sic] pronounce Bâle as something like ("barl") came about?
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If the French can shorten Confederation Suisse to Suisse (which I do find odd) then I don't see why one can't shorten Swiss Confederation to Swiss.
en Suisse -> in Swiss isn't such a jump.

Everyone knows what it means when people write this. Pointing out that it's wrong usually doesn't have any relevance to the original post and as someone else pointed out is contrary to the forum rules.
Confédération suisse et la Suisse. Can you spot the difference?

About the relevance, that might apply to any other thread but this one were the topic is Swiss or Switzerland?
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Just curious and wondering how Landers’ next Britsh [sic] misconception that the Frenchs [sic] pronounce Bâle as something like ("barl") came about?
He actually wrote the way the English pronounce it, not the French (there's a subtle difference).

Most English people I know who are not familiar with the city pronounce it "barl" so I for one concur with Landers.

Luckily the country got it's non-Latin name derived from the canton of Schwyz.

It's lucky they didn't chose Geneva otherwise you might have had the English calling in Genital-land or something like that.
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People argue here that word usage changes all the time.

If enough people use the word Swiss as slang to describe Switzerland then that may become accepted practice.

There is a certain logic to it as it is an anglicised version of "Suisse".

But if people accept that no change is allowed, can they please refer to Australia not as Australia, certainly not as Oz but as New Holland.
The only sane post in this thread. Languages and words change overtime and Swiss became a slogan this days, exact same way as Oz.

Regardless of that,

https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/de/articles/009825/2015-06-19/

Der Sieg im Morgartenkrieg 1315 machte die Schwyzer in Süddeutschland bekannt und förderte die Bezeichnung Switzer, Switenses oder Swicenses für Eidgenossen. Der Wortgebrauch kommt also nicht von den auf Unterscheidung bedachten alten Orten, sondern spiegelt die verallgemeinernde dt. Aussenperspektive; deswegen kam es auch zur mittelhochdt. Transformation mit dem Diphthong von Schwiz zu S. In dieser Schreibweise gelangte der Begriff im 14. Jh. vereinzelt in die Eidgenossenschaft zurück, wo er auch für den Kt. Schwyz verwendet wurde. Erst Johannes von Müller machte in seinem 1786-1808 erschienenen Werk zur ma. Geschichte der Eidgenossenschaft aus den Schwyzern wieder "Schwyzer".

Swiss was a legitimate name in past.


People should just get over it.
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The only sane post in this thread. Languages and words change overtime and Swiss became a slogan this days, exact same way as Oz.

Regardless of that,

People should just get over it.
Languages absolutely do change but I have yet to hear "Swiss" for Switzerland to be accepted in the English language.

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He actually wrote the way the English pronounce it, not the French (there's a subtle difference).

Most English people I know who are not familiar with the city pronounce it "barl" so I for one concur with Landers.
I can only conclude that the quality of Britsh [sic] expats has sadly declined. The French Bâle is pronounced (nearly) the same as the English Basle – there is nothing like a “r” in either

https://dict.leo.org/german-english/B%C3%A2le
https://dict.leo.org/german-english/Basle

Natcherally, I hasten to advance apology as I belong to the r-deaf generation
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Hey, one question. Who says Swiss? Native English speakers or people for whom English is 2nd, 3rd or nth language?
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For example if you fly easyjet to "Basel" when they do the "welcome on board" spiel they'll say "Barl" in English and also "Barl" in French. Which is the English pronunciation of "Basle" (even with the 's') but (of course) not the French pronunciation of Bâle. Occasionally you'll hear "basil".


Good to see the usual lack of comprehension in the majority of posts here. Bit rich when we're supposed to be talking about correct use of language.
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