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Old 30.06.2021, 18:16
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The German-speaking Swiss in Switzerland call a Swiss roll a roulade, which is French. Pronounced ruulaad, but possibly not in all dialects.
In British Englands we call them Germany Swiss, I think. As opposed to Roman Swiss, Italics Swiss (also none as Titchy Nose) and Reto Suedishers.

They all has chocolates and bank vaults and so much moneys that they rolls in it. Hens the term swiss rolls.
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Old 30.06.2021, 18:20
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Re: Swiss or Switzerland?

This is Swiss:



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Old 30.06.2021, 18:52
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it's Swiss Tony!
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Old 30.06.2021, 19:06
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Like in cool hwip.[sic]
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Old 30.06.2021, 19:45
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... the linking of "swiss" and "roll" in a wiki article makes me more than a little suspicious...
Are you aware of the translation of "Swiss roll" into Hmong?

No, me neither.
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The only sane post in this thread. Languages and words change overtime and Swiss became a slogan this days, exact same way as Oz.

Regardless of that,

https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/de/articles/009825/2015-06-19/

Der Sieg im Morgartenkrieg 1315 machte die Schwyzer in Süddeutschland bekannt und förderte die Bezeichnung Switzer, Switenses oder Swicenses für Eidgenossen. Der Wortgebrauch kommt also nicht von den auf Unterscheidung bedachten alten Orten, sondern spiegelt die verallgemeinernde dt. Aussenperspektive; deswegen kam es auch zur mittelhochdt. Transformation mit dem Diphthong von Schwiz zu S. In dieser Schreibweise gelangte der Begriff im 14. Jh. vereinzelt in die Eidgenossenschaft zurück, wo er auch für den Kt. Schwyz verwendet wurde. Erst Johannes von Müller machte in seinem 1786-1808 erschienenen Werk zur ma. Geschichte der Eidgenossenschaft aus den Schwyzern wieder "Schwyzer".

Swiss was a legitimate name in past.


People should just get over it.
No, you should make use of your brain's plasticity and learn the correct expression. You should also learn to do linguistic research and interpret your findings properly before making asinine arguments. The sky will not turn green just because you think it should be.

Take it from someone who is Swiss (as in, person born in Switzerland), apparently speaks both German and English better than you and, most importantly, spent several semesters learning the construction and origin of the English language as part of a university curriculum - saying "Swiss" when "Switzerland" would be correct simply makes you sound like you have a poor command of English. Insisting on the usage despite being informed that it is wrong worsens the impression to one of childish obstinacy / laziness.
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Old 30.06.2021, 21:54
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The only sane post in this thread. Languages and words change overtime and Swiss became a slogan this days, exact same way as Oz.

Regardless of that,

Swiss was a legitimate name in past.

People should just get over it.
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  1. “The only sane post in this thread” so far. The thread is still going. Who knows, somebody might post a post that's even saner.

  2. “Languages and words change overtime” You probably mean over time. In this context, it's irrelevant that languages and words change over time. You're not changing any words after all. As you pointed out elsewhere, the word 'Swiss' has been in use for centuries, unchanged. What could be relevant – but in this particular case isn't – is that words can acquire new meanings, definitions and usages.

  3. “and Swiss became a slogan” and 'Swiss' became a slogan. A slogan for what? You need to prove this. There's no reason why anybody should just take your word for it.

  4. "this days" these days

  5. "exact same way as Oz". "in the same way as Oz." If it's the same, then you don't need 'exact' as well. That would be tautology. Except, not in the exact same way as Oz or even in a slightly similar way. I'm guessing you mean Australia, or are you referring to the homeland of a certain wizard? If it's the former, then you obviously mean Australia, the country, affectionately known as Oz. The people who are citizens of Australia are sometimes called 'Aussies'. If you meant to validate your belief that 'Swiss' can and should be substituted for 'Switzerland', then you would have had to state "in the same way as Aussie". By way of clarification, an example would have helped, i.e. “I live in Aussie”.

  6. "Regardless of that," Disregarding the previous statement renders it obsolete, which leaves us simply with

  7. People should just get over it. Get over what? Being subjected to terrible and garbled English that makes no sense? That's ok if it comes from somebody who is actively learning English and is keen to perfect it as much as possible over time, possibly by working overtime. I take my hat off to them. But it's not ok if it comes from a native English speaker who's trying to teach his grandmother how to suck eggs.

  8. "Swiss was a legitimate name in past". In the past. Legitimate doesn't really come into it nor does the past. The meaning of 'Swiss' is "belonging to or relating to Switzerland or its people". It has been used in this way since at least 1708 and is still used in this way today.

Here's a recap of your corrected post:

In my humble opinion, this is the only sane post in this thread so far. Words can acquire new meanings, definitions and usages over time. Perhaps my use of 'Swiss' may be used in a slogan one day, in the same way that 'Aussie' isn't. Please accept that I don't care about language and I care even less that you do.
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Old 30.06.2021, 22:13
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it's Swiss Tony!
Not quite:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Toni

And he did simply go by "Swiss"

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Old 30.06.2021, 22:17
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Not quite:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Toni

And he did simply go by "Swiss"

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Looking forward to your claim that German and English are the same, both today and multiple centuries ago.

Or that the device you wrote your post on has existed since times immemorial, as did the infrastructure it relies on and uses.
My Max, I can't really care less if you didn't realize it by this time
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My Max, I can't really care less if you didn't realize it by this time
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My Max, I can't really care less if you didn't realize it by this time
Come on, just tell us in which country around the world and within which age group and other socioeconomic variables is OK to say Swiss instead of Switzerland.
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