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marton 16.07.2021 23:09

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3328661)
I don't believe so, as the bullies were put out to pasture so to speak.

Must be another reason those mods are so quiet.

Never TheLess 16.07.2021 23:13

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As a site newbie but long time watcher, I'm finding this forum interesting (and useful). Clearly there are a lot of 'old timers' and also clearly there is a huge amount of antipathy, how people are. Look forward to dodging the bullets and make - hopefully - positive contributions.

HickvonFrick 16.07.2021 23:14

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Originally Posted by schoggiweggli (Post 3328645)
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
I don’t see any right wing posters or posts on here. Leaning right is pretty accurate actually.
The most extreme is a bit right of center, more David Cameron than Enoch Powell.

Coronavirus is the litmus test, which proves the point. All of the "leaning right people" to my knowledge have had the vaccine. Yes even Tony Clifton. In other words we arent followers of half banked trumpian fantasies and are moderate grown ups who live in the real world. Perhaps certain people have stepped over the line at times but really the fact when push comes to shove we've been sensible shouldn't be forgotten. Certainly when there are so many people in the world who haven't been.

Going back to the Jim thing - or rather not him specifically but the general situation of which I think this latest episode is symptomatic. And without trying to be partisan - and making an effort to see it from others perspective, This is my 2p:

There are a lot of very long standing older members in their 50s and 60s or thereabouts who liked the forum as it was 10 or 15 years ago. When it was more of a social hub that blended in more with real life and less of an anonymous discussion place. It's easy to forget this place is from the Dawn of time. Predating Facebook... - so presumably was like the expat Facebook in the day.

I think this group of people don't really like overtly political points, or at least not too often, as it wasn't what the site was really set up for and hence have problems with the likes of MC and FMF (who are clearly on the right). Apart from RufusB it's not so much that they are left wing more that they think political debate is for Twitter and Englishforum is for talking about Switzerland. Perhaps part (but not all) of this groups dislike of overpoliticking is that they've been gone from their home countries for so long they find it less interesting and relevant to talk about politics back home. They don't really want overtly political moderators and want to preserve what made English forum special.

Then there's the more younger crowd who are more used to the internet being a free for all who want no rules pretty much apart from being respectful to one another. Switzerland being Switzerland and expats being expats this crowd leans significantly to the right. They see Moderators getting involved in political discussion and even being partisan as fine as long as they moderate in a strictly blind fashion.

(And then Theres Ticino Tom...)

I think everyone would actually get on over a beer - the disagreements aren't even political really but rather simply about what this community is for and about. Ultimately of course it is better to be big tent and make everyone happy, if possible.

Never TheLess 16.07.2021 23:17

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Originally Posted by HickvonFrick (Post 3328677)
Coronavirus is the litmus test, which proves the point. All of the "leaning right people" to my knowledge have had the vaccine. Yes even Tony Clifton. In other words we arent followers of half banked trumpian fantasies and are moderate grown ups who live in the real world. Perhaps certain people have stepped over the line at times but really the fact when push comes to shove we've been sensible shouldn't be forgotten. Certainly when there are do many people in the world who haven't been.

Going back to the Jim thing - or rather not him specifically but the general situation of which I think this latest episode is symptomatic. And without trying to be partisan - and making an effort to see it from others perspective, This is my 2p:

There are a lot of very long standing older members in their 50s and 60s or thereabouts who liked the forum as it was 10 or 15 years ago. When it was more of a social hub that blended in more with real life and less of an anonymous discussion place.

I think this group of people don't really like overtly political points, or at least not too often, as it wasn't what the site was really set up for and hence have problems with the likes of MC and FMF (who are clearly on the right). Apart from RufusB it's not so much that they are left wing more that they think political debate is for Twitter and Englishforum is for talking about Switzerland. Perhaps part (but not all) of this groups dislike of overpoliticking is that they've been gone from their home countries for so long they find it less interesting and relevant. They don't really want overtly political moderators.

Then there's the more younger crowd who are more used to the internet being a free for all who want no rules pretty much apart from being respectful to one another. Switzerland being Switzerland and expats being expats this crowd leans significantly to the right. They see Moderators getting involved in political discussion and even being partisan as fine as long as they moderate in a strictly blind fashion.

And, breathe.

fatmanfilms 16.07.2021 23:25

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 3328675)
Must be another reason those mods are so quiet.

They are no longer members, so I would expect them to be quiet once you get deleted you can't post any more.

marton 16.07.2021 23:37

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3328681)
They are no longer members, so I would expect them to be quiet once you get deleted you can't post any more.

I meant those remaining mods who you contended were bullied in the past.

fatmanfilms 16.07.2021 23:53

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 3328683)
I meant those remaining mods who you contended were bullied in the past.

5 Mods & Editor Bob were on line today, the other 2 were online yesterday, 1 of which is on holiday & the other has not posted this year. (As it happens I am also on holiday & will be in Switzerland tomorrow)

Most people want to be liked & won't rock the boat, if they don't have a strong opposing opinion.

MusicChick 16.07.2021 23:58

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3328685)
5 Mods & Editor Bob were on line today, the other 2 were online yesterday, 1 of which is on holiday & the other has not posted this year. (As it happens I am also on holiday & will be in Switzerland tomorrow)

Most people want to be liked & won't rock the boat, if they don't have a strong opposing opinion.

I am on hols too, kinda wish we had more memes goin' - a bit more fiesta feel. Instead of Covid and floods. :o

AbFab 17.07.2021 00:09

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What's this? Page 5? YAWN...

Landers 17.07.2021 00:35

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Originally Posted by parnell (Post 3328612)
Of course it does ?

Sorry I confused myself with all the negatives and "mis-wrote" - it should have been "any less unacceptable". Seems you misunderstood what was actually written but understood my intended meaning anyway. I really can't be sure.
I don't know what these "German comments" were where you say German isn't a race therefore it isn't racist to discriminate against them I assume in an attempt to forgive anti-German comments. What I meant, for the avoidance of doubt, is that just because anti-German comments might not meet the definition of racism it doesn't make them any less unacceptable.

I would say I don't know why I bother but it's good practice to keep my reasoning and typing skills up and it seems others are expressing similar views in an attempt to improve the integrity of the forum.

Blueangel 17.07.2021 01:05

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3328658)
Really interested how Blueangel knows so much of the workings of the modzone.

From 2003-2010, I was a mod on one of the biggest political forums in the US with over 500k worldwide membership at our peak. Still in very regular contact with several of that mod team. That's how I know how a mod team works, so you can stop being paranoid.

vushka 17.07.2021 09:18

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Originally Posted by Talk to you later (Post 3328641)
If I understood correctly, a white guy called all white guys from another country Nazis? :p

Is that really what this is all about? :rofl:

V__ 17.07.2021 09:26

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Originally Posted by Blueangel (Post 3328692)
From 2003-2010, I was a mod .

https://media.tenor.com/images/bae9f...9883/tenor.gif

st2lemans 17.07.2021 09:45

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Originally Posted by komsomolez (Post 3328652)
Wasn't that you in the "Friends of the EU" thread?

Yes, but how was that offensive? :confused:

Tom

st2lemans 17.07.2021 09:46

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Originally Posted by Talk to you later (Post 3328641)
If I understood correctly, a white guy called all white guys from another country Nazis? :p

I did not use the word "all".

It was a thread about German vs. Swiss bureaucracy!

Tom

me.anon 17.07.2021 10:04

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3328713)
I did not use the word "all".

It was a thread about German vs. Swiss bureaucracy!

Tom

So you are the guilty party.
Even mentioning the second world war can get you into trouble:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0

komsomolez 17.07.2021 10:06

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3328712)
Yes, but how was that offensive? :confused:

Tom

Don't ask me. Just saw that Jim groaned at it. I did not even find the Nazi thing offensive, just annoying and unhelpful.

fatmanfilms 17.07.2021 10:37

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Originally Posted by Blueangel (Post 3328692)
From 2003-2010, I was a mod on one of the biggest political forums in the US with over 500k worldwide membership at our peak. Still in very regular contact with several of that mod team. That's how I know how a mod team works, so you can stop being paranoid.

You seemed to know how the mod team at EF worked which is something different.

There have been references to leaks in mod zone, I was just dotting the i's & crossing the t's.

Talk to you later 17.07.2021 10:44

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Originally Posted by vushka (Post 3328728)
I'm pretty sure the Krauts have been fair game since WW2. Let's face it, some animals are more equal than others.


Like dogs should not be eaten, but pigs are ok? :p

Tom1234 17.07.2021 10:50

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3328730)

There have been references to leaks in mod zone, I was just dotting the i's & crossing the t's.

Calm down. You're just a mod in a dying forum, not an agent in the CIA.

st2lemans 17.07.2021 10:51

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Originally Posted by me.anon (Post 3328720)
So you are the guilty party.
Even mentioning the second world war can get you into trouble:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0

I already posted that earlier in this thread. :eek:

Tom

vushka 17.07.2021 10:52

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Originally Posted by Talk to you later (Post 3328732)
Like dogs should not be eaten, but pigs are ok? :p

or bat soup! :eek:

Talk to you later 17.07.2021 10:59

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Today I have decided to identify myself as a dark skinned German and a Bat. I want a safe zone to be created around my feelings. Any mention of bat soup should be instant perma ban!

I am flouncing for the day.

Holy Batman

fatmanfilms 17.07.2021 11:01

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 3328734)
Calm down. You're just a mod in a dying forum, not an agent in the CIA.

It's more active for the time of year, it's not dying because plenty of positive people are able to step to replace the negative people drop out.

Pancakes 17.07.2021 11:07

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3328742)
It's more active for the time of year, it's not dying because plenty of positive people are able to step to replace the negative people drop out.

Or maybe it's not dying because people have become addicted to arguing. :p

me.anon 17.07.2021 11:19

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3328735)
I already posted that earlier in this thread. :eek:

Tom

mea cupla
It was not intentional plagiarism. I simply failed to read the whole thread before posting and also missed the original (now apparently deleted) post.

otec 17.07.2021 11:22

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Originally Posted by Never TheLess (Post 3328676)
As a site newbie but long time watcher, I'm finding this forum interesting (and useful). Clearly there are a lot of 'old timers' and also clearly there is a huge amount of antipathy, how people are. Look forward to dodging the bullets and make - hopefully - positive contributions.

Also lots of people who hate Swiss being called Swiss

MusicChick 17.07.2021 11:25

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What else should fora be for, than interesting debates...You can only save so many expats from their lowly 120k, brown sugar drought, dishwasher detergent chaos and puppy hotel search. And agony aunts. Then what. Memes (yes!), debates, jokes, the usual.

The death of the forum was announced every single time somebody flounced, since like...eons ago. And it is standing. Hotel California could learn from us. The waves of people leaving are seasonal, so are those who want to dictate mods how to "punish", how long for and how fast the mods should react. There is no panic, stuff gets addressed and as well as we can.

I don't think people are addicted to arguing. Maybe the thrill of the internet hasn't worn off yet, anxiousness that people can share, etc. etc. The intensity is no surprise, considering we are in the midst of a pandemics.

We are open to positive ideas of improvement - bitcoins for rep points, or new subforums... EF Tinder (Finkum, I am winking at ya!), etc.

marton 17.07.2021 11:29

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3328730)
You seemed to know how the mod team at EF worked which is something different.

There have been references to leaks in mod zone, I was just dotting the i's & crossing the t's.

"leaks in mod zone"? somebody has been pi##ing in there :eek: :eek:

Do the mods have to sign nondisclosure agreements? If not, so what?

TonyClifton 17.07.2021 11:29

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When I first joined the forum I must admit I found Jim’s tone to be quite aggressive. The more I read his posts the more I realised it was rather more an abrasive manner of arguing with people he disagrees with and anyone can be on the receiving end of it. He has his ideas and principles and sticks firmly to them so it would be a great shame if he were to depart.

Contrast this to the style of some of the departed members/moderators, who went out of their way to find people to accuse of “wrong think” which was just bullying under the guise of social activism/moderation; it’s easy because it rewards the bully. The forum is in a far better place today I’m happy to say!!

MusicChick 17.07.2021 11:31

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Originally Posted by V__ (Post 3328709)

Thank you. I was just having my morning kefir.

eyebeebe 17.07.2021 11:38

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3328713)
I did not use the word "all".

It was a thread about German vs. Swiss bureaucracy!

Tom

I‘m 90% sure it did say all, but we will never know (unless FMF is able to see what he deleted, I guess). An apology and a beer if I have misrepresented you.

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Originally Posted by TonyClifton (Post 3328750)
When I first joined the forum I must admit I found Jim’s tone to be quite aggressive. The more I read his posts the more I realised it was rather more an abrasive manner of arguing with people he disagrees with and anyone can be on the receiving end of it. He has his ideas and principles and sticks firmly to them so it would be a great shame if he were to depart.

Contrast this to the style of some of the departed members/moderators, who went out of their way to find people to accuse of “wrong think” which was just bullying under the guise of social activism/moderation; it’s easy because it rewards the bully. The forum is in a far better place today I’m happy to say!!

However, he was always convinced that his opinion was fact and he had in my view an aggressive manner which pushed his „facts“. Often they were, but not always.

fatmanfilms 17.07.2021 11:43

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Originally Posted by eyebeebe (Post 3328753)
I‘m 90% sure it did say all, but we will never know (unless FMF is able to see what he deleted, I guess). An apology and a beer if I have misrepresented you.


However, he was always convinced that his opinion was fact and he had in my view an aggressive manner which pushed his „facts“. Often they were, but not always.

I can see what was written, as deletes are always 'soft deletes'. The word 'All' was not written. I am sure Tom will forgive you :D

Agreed

mike_n 17.07.2021 11:45

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Originally Posted by TonyClifton (Post 3328750)
He has his ideas and principles and sticks firmly to them so it would be a great shame if he were to depart.

If anyone wants to leave, he just leaves. It's not necessary to start a thread about leaving, so there is a good chance he won't leave. Looks to me more like an attempt to grab some attention by being a drama queen. Which is quite the opposite of leaving.

Chuff 17.07.2021 11:48

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Originally Posted by eyebeebe (Post 3328753)
I‘m 90% sure it did say all, but we will never know (unless FMF is able to see what he deleted, I guess).

He said: "Germans are Nazis", which is contextually the same as saying "all Germans". He didn't say some, or specify any administrative bureaucracy elements, so you certainly do not owe him a beer.

And yup, mods can also of course generally see soft-deleted posts. so they could confirm exactly what was written.

Belgianmum 17.07.2021 12:14

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Originally Posted by mike_n (Post 3328756)
If anyone wants to leave, he just leaves. It's not necessary to start a thread about leaving, so there is a good chance he won't leave. Looks to me more like an attempt to grab some attention by being a drama queen. Which is quite the opposite of leaving.

On the contrary I think it’s quite useful to see what caused people to leave and see whether we can improve things going forward if necessary.

vushka 17.07.2021 12:17

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 3328760)
On the contrary I think it’s quite useful to see what caused people to leave and see whether we can improve things going forward if necessary.

That's easy - stop being so easily offended.

amogles 17.07.2021 12:17

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A little perspective here.

Meaning of the word Nazi:

1) A member of the National Socialist Worker's Party of Germany. This party was dissolved and banned in 1945. Thus nobody is still maintaining a membership list and there isn't a bank account to pay membership fees into. Hence there are no nazis of this type left.

2) In the modern meaning of the word, anybody who happens to disagree with you. To say Germans are Nazis thus means no more than, I disagree with Germans.

3) Short form for neo-nazi, I guess this is how it was understood in this case.

4) Saying somebody is a nazi may be shorthand for saying they posess certain traits similar to nazis. Which maybe should be enumerated so the statement can be evaluated and understood. For example they like autobahns and Hugo Boss clothes. Ok, maybe that's a bad example.

5) In the original meaning of the word, as this is something not many people know, nazi was a slur for an Austrian. It is short for Ignaz, which was considered to be a typically Austrian name, and was often shortened to Nazi at the time. So if you were called Ignaz your friends might call you Nazi. In Berlin of the 1920s there were standup comedians who told jokes about a Prussian and an Austrian called Nazi in which Nazi was always the dumb one. Then along came Hitler speaking with his Austrian accent and his enemies saw the verbal parallel between "national socialist" and nazi and started calling him that. It was a slur before it somehow became official. So to say Germans are nazis is to say Germans are Austrians which is somewhat questionable factually, but not actually racist.

jacek 17.07.2021 12:18

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Originally Posted by mike_n (Post 3328756)
If anyone wants to leave, he just leaves. It's not necessary to start a thread about leaving, so there is a good chance he won't leave. Looks to me more like an attempt to grab some attention by being a drama queen. Which is quite the opposite of leaving.

Maybe the only extenuating circumstances would be that it was intended as a Friday thread. Every Friday a brand new thread is gonna be created that someone new will announce her/his/their exit :D

amogles 17.07.2021 12:25

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3328757)
He said: "Germans are Nazis", which is contextually the same as saying "all Germans". He didn't say some, or specify any administrative bureaucracy elements, so you certainly do not owe him a beer.

If somebody said "German cars are good", that is not the same as saying "all German cars are good". It says, in general and overall if you ignore the exceptions, German cars are good. Or maybe "German automobile engineering is good", or maybe just "I like German cars"


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