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I don’t for one minute believe that you do not use things like ‘to google’ or ‘smartphone’ etc. none of which existed a hundred years ago.
I don't

I say "web search" and "Natel".

And I still use the word "retard", normally when talking about spark or cam timing.

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The ban was lifted within a few minutes
I still find this completely unreasonable, I still think you owe everyone on here an apology.

Only a sadist would like seeing test*s squeezed.
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You can't ban test without reason, they are one of the most balanced members on here. Excellent listener, never stirs the pot.

I demand an apology.
What about their potential political affiliation?

Quelle horreur.

It's me who demand an apology.
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I don't

I say "web search" and "Natel".

And I still use the word "retard", normally when talking about spark or cam timing.

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Boomer.
Commie.

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Old 26.07.2021, 10:29
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Commie.

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Old 26.07.2021, 11:34
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To be honest, I'm not entirely sure how much conscious control people really have over what offends them. I guess I find it difficult to judge or gauge what someone has the right to be offended by and what someone doesn't. I guess I also don't really feel that I have the right to tell someone else that they don't have the right to feel offended.

I'll try to think of a couple analogies...

A Chinese girl on Facebook is called a "stupid ch*nk" by someone. Does she have the right to be offended and to express that she is offended? Even if the person who said that to her tells her she's being too sensitive and is offended too easily?

A white guy in the grocery store calls a little black girl a "n***er." Does the girl's mother have the right to be offended and/or to express that she is offended?

Again, I'm just trying to understand when exactly someone has the right to feel offended. Because it doesn't really make sense to me for someone else to gauge that, I guess.
Strange that all your examples tend in one direction.

How about somebody with a Trump sticker on their truck being told they are a "f*** nazi"?

Or broad swathes of the left finding it funny when some Dem-leaning celebrity publicaly fantasized about punching the Covington boys in the face.

The problem is that some of the people who would get upset about your examples might even snigger to these examples and say, serves them right.

So it's not that they have a problem with people being offended, but that there are certain protected groups and other groups who are free game.

Either you believe that people need to grow thick skin and live with it, or you need to be demanding respect by and from anybody. But any one way system of discrimination is hypocritical.

And this in my opinion is precisely the problem with woke culture.
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You can choose to do whatever you like but it is a fact that language does evolve.
New words come into use and are being added to the dictionary all the time and others fall out of favour.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with being PC and policing language, the example in this thread just happened to be a contentious word.

I don’t for one minute believe that you do not use things like ‘to google’ or ‘smartphone’ etc. none of which existed a hundred years ago.
Red herring after red herring.

It's obviously not the same when, a) a new word for something new is adopted by the public, or b) the PC police try to force use of language as they see fit onto everybody else, including by destroying someone's socioeconomic existence.
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Old 26.07.2021, 11:48
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To be honest, I'm not entirely sure how much conscious control people really have over what offends them. I guess I find it difficult to judge or gauge what someone has the right to be offended by and what someone doesn't. I guess I also don't really feel that I have the right to tell someone else that they don't have the right to feel offended.

I'll try to think of a couple analogies...

A Chinese girl on Facebook is called a "stupid ch*nk" by someone. Does she have the right to be offended and to express that she is offended? Even if the person who said that to her tells her she's being too sensitive and is offended too easily?

A white guy in the grocery store calls a little black girl a "n***er." Does the girl's mother have the right to be offended and/or to express that she is offended?

Again, I'm just trying to understand when exactly someone has the right to feel offended. Because it doesn't really make sense to me for someone else to gauge that, I guess.


I think how your starting point is wrong.

People will always insult each other. This is something that's part of every culture and we can not get rid of it easily or soon.

What happens with these examples, "chinese girl","black girl" examples, they're just part of that false narrative and sort of an ebay for who's going to be less racist by pointing out cases like this then BLM etc..

I'll explain now racism and all kinds of discrimination are to be fought when it comes to state/laws/regulations. That's when it is wrong when you have a segregation or some unwritten laws. (like the order from the mayor that's behind real estate agencies not selling property to a certain community)

Otherwise, this is what happens .. people look at each other.. And they fight about something.. if the person who is looking at you or you're looking at.. are having something significant physically, "being of another colour,ethnicity." then it'll be "you stupid chinese cow" .. but let's say they're both the same.. then , if one of them is overweight then it'll be "you big pig..." .. but if one is short then it's "you midget..." then if one is ginger "then you ginger.." so basically people insult each other first on what's visible .
I remember when I was a teen , me and my friend we were having some fight with two guys that were from another city ..(not even a city but a suburb) and in that heated word play I remember how we were insulting them being from Gosford, because "hahaha you dimwits from gosford you are all dumb the whole world knows that" .. and this , only because there was no particular physical element to insult .
Hope you understood me Pancakes. only when something discriminatory is instructed by the authorities then people turn into vultures.
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Even I struggle with this woke culture at times ...

I created and mod a sub on Reddit on pre-cervical cancer - in the description of the sub, I have the sub description as "A helpful community for women who have been diagnosed ..."

I have had several trans-men reach out to me that they would like me to remove "women" from the sub description, when it is a specifically female related condition. Initially I was very angry at such a request especially since they said my description was not "inclusive", now I just have to recognize that this is the world we live in today whether I like it or not.

I kept the description as is ... even if you identify as a man, your female organs are still intact. So far, they have accepted that.
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Old 26.07.2021, 12:21
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only when something discriminatory is instructed by the authorities then people turn into vultures.
This. And pretty much in every aspect of society.
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Music, exactly. And I think we're just about to morphe this society into something like that. but I really hope I'm wrong ..

(I was having in mind those state paid ads in different countries, that were instructing people to report bad neighbours.. like "his mask fell off his nose" "he went for the 2nd time today to walk his dog!!") which creates something particular .. that is , > I'll end up being a bad citizen and it'll be used against me because someone said how I walked the dog -twice. (but is it true? maybe he's wrong, or lying?) and it'll be discriminatory towards people who will receive this prejudice.
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Music, exactly. And I think we're just about to morphe this society into something like that. but I really hope I'm wrong ..
I don't think so. You always had a few in the past who got off by trying to control others, for whatever reasons, under the guise of knowing better than the rest and kumbaya.. Usually some ethical virtue signalling attached. I think the normative steps are obvious to everyone. People come to CH exactly for the advantage of a society which doesn't need to be told what to do, so why would they want to change it, they often see that it's not an approach that works long term.

Or you mean the world, in general? Yeah, the world has gone nuts. I blame consumerism, some ideas just sell well.
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What happens with these examples, "chinese girl","black girl" examples, they're just part of that false narrative and sort of an ebay for who's going to be less racist by pointing out cases like this then BLM etc..
Suppose now that the individual who was apparently discriminated for being a young Chinese girl actually chose to identify as a 6 foot male caucasian pensioner and part-time football hooligan.

Why should she be more offended by being called a [* Chinese slur] than any other 6 foot male caucasian pensioner and part-time football hooligan?

If you say that's not the same thing, aren't you trying to have it both ways?
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Suppose now that the individual who was apparently discriminated for being a young Chinese girl actually chose to identify as a 6 foot male caucasian pensioner and part-time football hooligan.

Why should she be more offended by being called a [* Chinese slur] than any other 6 foot male caucasian pensioner and part-time football hooligan?
Because somebody decided and quantified hypothetical offence/stigma.

Which boils down to - having things figured out for you. Stereotypes are shortcuts, they work that way. If somebody calculated hypothetical stigma, they also calculated the chance the offence will come from you. Even if it's not true.

Isn't it convenient?

The problem is, as FD mentioned - system imposing expectations of hypothetical menace will make most people do exactly what is expected of them already. Vultures, she said.
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Suppose now that the individual who was apparently discriminated for being a young Chinese girl actually chose to identify as a 6 foot male caucasian pensioner and part-time football hooligan.
As a 6’1” something Caucasian pensioner I’m deeply offended by having my height to hooliganism ratio compared to a little Chinese girl who’s probably a lot cuter anyway!
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I think how your starting point is wrong.

People will always insult each other. This is something that's part of every culture and we can not get rid of it easily or soon.

What happens with these examples, "chinese girl","black girl" examples, they're just part of that false narrative and sort of an ebay for who's going to be less racist by pointing out cases like this then BLM etc..

I'll explain now racism and all kinds of discrimination are to be fought when it comes to state/laws/regulations. That's when it is wrong when you have a segregation or some unwritten laws. (like the order from the mayor that's behind real estate agencies not selling property to a certain community)

Otherwise, this is what happens .. people look at each other.. And they fight about something.. if the person who is looking at you or you're looking at.. are having something significant physically, "being of another colour,ethnicity." then it'll be "you stupid chinese cow" .. but let's say they're both the same.. then , if one of them is overweight then it'll be "you big pig..." .. but if one is short then it's "you midget..." then if one is ginger "then you ginger.." so basically people insult each other first on what's visible .
I remember when I was a teen , me and my friend we were having some fight with two guys that were from another city ..(not even a city but a suburb) and in that heated word play I remember how we were insulting them being from Gosford, because "hahaha you dimwits from gosford you are all dumb the whole world knows that" .. and this , only because there was no particular physical element to insult .
Hope you understood me Pancakes. only when something discriminatory is instructed by the authorities then people turn into vultures.
Wait, so you are saying racism is nothing different than any other insult, like some brat on the schoolyard saying "your mum got a fat ass"?
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Wait, so you are saying racism is nothing different than any other insult, like some brat on the schoolyard saying "your mum got a fat ass"?
According to wokesters you can identify as whatever race you want and whatever sex you want.

But you can't chose the size of your ass.

So which form of discrimination is greater?
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According to wokesters you can identify as whatever race you want and whatever sex you want.

But you can't chose the size of your ass.

So which form of discrimination is greater?
As someone who identifies as one of the most attractive people in the world, I feel highly offended.
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According to wokesters you can identify as whatever race you want and whatever sex you want.

But you can't chose the size of your ass.

So which form of discrimination is greater?
Wasn't asking you.
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