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Or Uyghurs.

The re-education camps that are manufacturing our cheap Chinese stuff we happily buy..I started to feel a while back like we are constantly dragged into the past to wake some guilt for evil that we haven't caused for a reason - to keep ignoring and to not confront the evil that is happening now and that we might be contributing to, maybe uknowingly, maybe hypocritically.
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I'm not so sure that it really has much to do with guilt or trying to share the blame as much as it has to do with simply acknowledging that it happened and that it was wrong. I mean, if someone in their 30's today with German ancestry acknowledges that the Holocaust was wrong, are they expressing guilt about it? I don't feel that it's necessary to take on some kind of "collective shame" or "collective guilt" in order to acknowledge that slavery is and was wrong. It's not really that difficult to know or to realize that it was wrong, is it?

You can acknowledge that something is wrong without shame or guilt being involved.
Fail to have noticed any poster insisting that slavery isn’t/wasn’t wrong on here. My take on a couple of the last posts was that (aware) Americans should try to arrange themselves with their own history and stop blanketing the rest of sorry humanity with their idea on how to resolve it
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Old 27.07.2021, 00:06
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Wasn't asking you.
Hard luck

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Racism still exists in every country today. The woke movement may feel uncomfortable to you but they are tackling issues that need to be revisited and attitudes improved. Everywhere.

Locals know of places where ex -Yugoslavians or people of colour are still not welcomed simply because of racism fueled by a group dynamic. I’m speaking of places where the farming/native Swiss kids meet to revel in their “eidgenössischen” heritage. Of course, this kind of group dynamic thinking happens in other cultures too.

So yes, maybe some wokesters have taken the language element too far in a few cases but racism and misogyny are still omnipresent.
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Fail to have noticed any poster insisting that slavery isn’t/wasn’t wrong on here. My take on a couple of the last posts was that (aware) Americans should try to arrange themselves with their own history and stop blanketing the rest of sorry humanity with their idea on how to resolve it
Um, when has any poster on here said that we are trying to blanket the rest of sorry humanity with our issues?

There are however plenty of non-American posters who seem to critique and have an understanding of ours.
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Racism still exists in every country today. The woke movement may feel uncomfortable to you but they are tackling issues that need to be revisited and attitudes improved. Everywhere.
I think it's a bit disingenuous to equate woke people with simply being against racism. They tend to have a sort of victim hierarchy and are very selective about what type of racism they are against.
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I think it's a bit disingenuous to equate woke people with simply being against racism. They tend to have a sort of victim hierarchy and are very selective about what type of racism they are against.
An example of this, please?
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I think it's a bit disingenuous to equate woke people with simply being against racism. They tend to have a sort of victim hierarchy and are very selective about what type of racism they are against.
For many, making everything about race, and focusing specifically on white men, they are actually being racist themselves. The term "gammon" for example, is a racist slur.
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Hard luck

I self identify as the world’s leading expert on wokeness .
Among many other things.
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For many, making everything about race, and focusing specifically on white men, they are actually being racist themselves. The term "gammon" for example, is a racist slur.
Give me a break.
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Give me a break.
You're in the right thread!
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Give me a break.
Of course it is, it's the term used to describe the skin tone of white men after a certain age when they're supposedly trying to suppress their outrage. It's a purely racist term. Ironic considering it's used so freely by the self proclaimed anti-racists!
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I think it's a bit disingenuous to equate woke people with simply being against racism. They tend to have a sort of victim hierarchy and are very selective about what type of racism they are against.
You mean like TC and his woke views against vaccine passports.
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Racism still exists in every country today. The woke movement may feel uncomfortable to you but they are tackling issues that need to be revisited and attitudes improved. Everywhere.

Locals know of places where ex -Yugoslavians or people of colour are still not welcomed simply because of racism fueled by a group dynamic. I’m speaking of places where the farming/native Swiss kids meet to revel in their “eidgenössischen” heritage. Of course, this kind of group dynamic thinking happens in other cultures too.

So yes, maybe some wokesters have taken the language element too far in a few cases but racism and misogyny are still omnipresent.
Yes, no question, racism still exists all over the world. The “woke movement” isn’t in the least “uncomfortable” to me. It’s pointless flag waving – won’t change a thing. Do you seriously think, for instance, that the Han Chinese feeling of innate superiority vs. any other population will be diminished by “wokesters” calling them out?

TLDR: you're strange/different - WGAF about your skin colour?
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Old 27.07.2021, 15:32
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For many, making everything about race, and focusing specifically on white men, they are actually being racist themselves. The term "gammon" for example, is a racist slur.

I thought it was just Michael Jackson singing?

Your butt is mine
Gonna tell you right
Just show your face
In broad daylight
I'm telling you
On how I feel
Gonna hurt your mind
Don't shoot to kill

gammon, gammon
Lay it on me all right
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An example of this, please?
For many of the woke (certainly not all), Jewish people...
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So this thread has gone from Jim deleting his account into what exactly? Talk about being off topic.
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Old 27.07.2021, 17:13
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Racism still exists in every country today. The woke movement may feel uncomfortable to you but they are tackling issues that need to be revisited and attitudes improved. Everywhere.
Yes - so start where the problem is most prevalent and work your way down to where it's the least prevalent.
I look forward to the thousands of outraged posts on India going forward.
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So this thread has gone from Jim deleting his account into what exactly? Talk about being off topic.
We should just re-name it the "general moaning about other EF users/mods, politics, generations and cultures thread"

Sorry Jim, but it seems like you sparked a flame.
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Old 27.07.2021, 17:14
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This.

I also think that we all understand why people insult and why people feel offended. Whether it is personal or a matter of a class (of women..race, etc.). This is in my opinion a matter of being well raised/education/manners/where one is and who one talks to...etc. It has always existed and will, the societal norms of politeness and civility, etc.
Exactly. The existence of societal norms is outright proof for the natural tendency to
do the opposite. "you must not steal" wouldn't exist if stealing wasn't a common impulse.

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I think what I see contientious here is not this, but politically correct stuff. Some self proclaimed authority dictating people who to expect ill intent from and when to feel hurt. This is an entirely different issue than the one above. It is prescriptive, normative and creates victims and evils even when there is no intention and no reason. It gains by destroying people by pretending that the ill intent is there just not so obvious. It poses for saviors and gains support by pretence and disingenuity, by tarring people with ill intents. It empowers only those who selfproclaim to be the authority on this and who check this and sanction, it never protects those who supposedly suffer, it makes them suffer more. It exposes them to ill intent because it dictates that we automatically have to expect it. It makes people expect and create handicaps where there are none and they are abandoned when the popularity of the authority is sufficient.

As FD said though, dictate good behavior and people will do the opposite.
Yup. Like the (abrahamaic) religions, ideologies in their extreme form leave no room for
doubt among the righteous true believers. To preserve and ensure their purity and sanctity,
the doubters must be removed and silenced. The Spanish inquisition and cancel
culture are children of the same mindset, though of course the latter doesn't murder (yet).
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Of course, thankfully. In my view, this however should not go as far as removing all historic, but now not appropriate anymore language and somehow pretend this never happened.
I wonder how future generations will see today's altering of books in the name of PC. You
(one) can't burn bytes like you can burn books but you can alter and adulterate the texts
they represent.
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