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The Spanish inquisition and cancel
culture are children of the same mindset, though of course the latter doesn't murder (yet).


Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition !!!
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So yes, maybe some wokesters have taken the language element too far in a few cases but racism and misogyny are still omnipresent.
You disqualify yourself by ignoring misandry.

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Or maybe you just wanted to confirm that feminists and wokesters, including you, imply that (white) men can't be victims. Which would be more than just a tad sexist. That would indeed be ironic, given that you pretend to fight sexism.

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So this thread has gone from Jim deleting his account into what exactly? Talk about being off topic.
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We should just re-name it the "general moaning about other EF users/mods, politics, generations and cultures thread"

Sorry Jim, but it seems like you sparked a flame.
Sorry, Susie-Q - why would general moaning about other EF users/mods, politics, generations and cultures thread allow Jim's damp, flickering flame to outshine other "sparks"? Not all of us are in it for the money
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An example of this, please?
That's what intersectionality is all about, Tom. The Wiki page provides a rather good overview.

In short, the more boxes from among the victim classes someone ticks the higher her victimhood status, and thus her authority, value, and trustworthiness of whatever she puts forth. Men are pretty much left out (unless gay or trans), they're the perpetrators necessary for everybody else to have victimhood status and thus the moral upper hand. Put another way: pure sexism.
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... [some people] imply that (white) men can't be victims. Which would be more than just a tad sexist.
I agree, fully, that it is sexist to ignore the suffering of men, or of women. I think that there is much bitterness in both directions, by those who have been abused or excluded merely for the sake of being a woman, or being a man.

Urs Max, although I think that some of your posts go too far in what seems to be an unfortunate rage against women in general, I do actually agree with you that it is disgusting whenever the equivalent suffering of male victims is ignored or dismissed, simply because they are male. I don't think it is right to gloss over the suffering of boys and men as irrelevant, just because they are not girls or women. After all, not all victims of exclusion, violence and abuse are female, and not all perpetrators are male, white and straight, and not all victims are in the "opposite" category from their perpetrators.

Spend some time with someone who has been excluded from a profession, a line of study or a sport, having been told that only the "other" kind of person could be admitted, or listen to the struggles of a parent advocating for their child, or accompany a rape victim as they try to recover, and the differences in the suffering can easily pale, and the similarities in the stories become obvious.

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Urs Max, although I think that some of your posts go too far in what seems to be an unfortunate rage against women in general,
This is the typical and almost automatic smear feminists and woketivists hurl against anybody who dares to disagree, a personal attack to invalidate the argument without actually refuting it. Instead of disproving my points, which should be easy enough if indeed I were wrong, you play the player.

Kindly prove that I show misoginy. Do note that many feminists are male, and criticising an ideology is not the same as criticising the group it pretends to fight for.
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Spend some time with someone who has been excluded from a profession, a line of study or a sport, having been told that only the "other" kind of person could be admitted, or listen to the struggles of a parent advocating for their child, or accompany a rape victim as they try to recover, and the differences in the suffering can easily pale, and the similarities in the stories becomes obvious.
You clearly need to work on your own biases and prejudices. You have no clue what my life has been like, or the hardships I went through.

To be honest, I doubt you would have dared to write that if you thought I presented as female.
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Urs Max, I really think you have misunderstood my post, and my intention behind it. I'm sorry.

Yes, it's true that I know nothing of the hardships you've been through. My point was that anyone (including you, and including me) should be granted (by the society around them) the space to be who they are and to tell their story and to claim their truth. And that space shouldn't be dependent upon their gender.

Boys and men ought not to have greater or lesser access than girls and women to education, a chance to earn a living, and to medical treatment and psychological care, and to ordinary, everyday respect on the street. Such matters should not be apportioned to people simply on the basis of their being male or female.

You, whether male or female, ought to be granted, by the formal structures of the country, but also by society (in the cultural sense, and in everyday interactions), the same rights and duties as should I, whether I am male or female.

It saddens me when anyone (whether they are male or female or anything else) finds themselves categorised (to their disadvantage) because of a generalisation that "they" (the other group) have made about them.
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Personally, I'm heartily sick of the reductionist cries such as: "All men are potential rapists," or "All women claim victimhood", since I know many examples of males (and females) who would leap into action to prevent anyone (whether male or female) from being sexually abused, and I know many women (and men) who strongly champion good causes.

And yes, sadly, I know people who have suffered the most terrible abuses and they are both male and female. It saddens me that the men have a harder time getting someone to hear them.

I think it is wrong that there are many women's refuges, but only one men's refuge, which is full.

I think it is wrong that when a friend called the police because he could hear trouble from neighbours, and he knew that the husband was being beaten by the wife, that the policeman taking the call immediately assumed that it was the other way round. I think it is wrong that, when the police went there, they left having decided that the wife didn't seem to be in danger, and blind to what had really happend. (See post, below.)

I think it is wrong that when my male friend was gang-raped, the doctors, at first, wouldn't treat him, because he had been, they said, "out having fun", and that when the policemen came, they told him "well what do you expect, if you were wearing those skinny jeans". That's just as wrong as when women used to be blamed for their own rapes because they were wearing a mini-skirt. And it breaks my heart, because his recovery took so, so, so much longer, both physically and psychologically, because he was not treated with dignity and immediate care, when he most needed help.

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Further, about the man, above, who was beaten by his wife. Later, I was part of a small group who phoned around trying to find help for him. It was a sorry experience.

At one place, I was asked: "Are you looking for a safe place for the woman and her children?" No, I said, a safe place for the man and his children. "No, sorry, we don't advise men."

Elsewhere, I was asked: "Does the man really want to change?" I suppose so, I said, as he is scared and feeling violated. "Well, we offer anger-management courses." I don't think he's particularly angry, rather feeling he's losing his balance and he's worried about the safety of his children. "Well, if he comes to our courses, he'll learn ways to stop hitting them." No, he's not the one doing the hitting! "Oh, well, then, I don't think we're the right place for him."

I spoke to someone in charge of the one and only men's refuge I could find. "Oh, sorry, we're absolutely full! We'd need at least another three houses, to deal with the number of men we have to turn away, and many of them are in acute and desperate need, to escape violence, but the funding just isn't there."

It is very sad. And it is not right.

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After 14 years, it is with a certain amount of sadness, I have decided to delete my account.

There are all kinds of people here, some educate and inform, some make me laugh, some make me shake my head and some annoy me for a few minutes. But there is one thing that keeps me annoyed - racism in any format.

In the past 24 hours, a member with a reputation for being contraversal posted a blatant racist statement. The post was deleted and the poster goes on his merry way to sin again...

After all that has gone on around the world over the past few months, the fact that the mods seem to feel continuing to enable this kind of behaviour is acceptable, is beyond me and I have decided that a community moderated in such a style is one I no longer want to be a member of.
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From a newbie, this thread is insane. Is it always the case that a simple statement - as quoted - breaks down into this kind of he said, she said, it said nonsense and runs on for several hundred responses, almost none of which are to do with the topic?
Maybe we need a "random bullshit" thread. Or a "random complaints" thread.

A safe space where people can bitch about anything they want.
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From a newbie, this thread is insane. Is it always the case that a simple statement - as quoted - breaks down into this kind of he said, she said, it said nonsense and runs on for several hundred responses, almost none of which are to do with the topic?
Threads meander...people went out of their way to chip in with what discrimination means for them. Some competed with what is the worst kind of discrimination, wether the trendiest ones, the oldest, or the local, the imported, the visible or the invisible but wide spread. In that sense it is very much on topic.

As a mod, I am impressed by the really low level of hostility and high level of acceptance and tolerance - bravo à tous! It has made the thread especially interesting.

We also (and especially!) welcome newbie's ideas! So...
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From a newbie, this thread is insane. Is it always the case that a simple statement - as quoted - breaks down into this kind of he said, she said, it said nonsense and runs on for several hundred responses, almost none of which are to do with the topic?
Jim2007 was/is always a factual poster. The best way to honor his leaving is by creating a thread with a lot of random drama
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From a newbie, this thread is insane.....?
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Completely agree.
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From a newbie, this thread is insane. Is it always the case that a simple statement - as quoted - breaks down into this kind of he said, she said, it said nonsense and runs on for several hundred responses, almost none of which are to do with the topic?
In general more often than not even the posts trying to be helpful will have no or little relevance to the original post. Then there'll be the judging and personal opinions on whether the thread is worthy or not and they'll go on for pages. Like "Hi guys! How can I watch the Olympics?" met instantly with a groan and a comment "Why would you want to do that?". or "Where can I get legal advice?" - "you don't need legal advice you need to tell us what the problem is so we can judge you". I feel that the mods should be more aggressive. Caution the serial groaners and delete posts which bring no value to the thread. Would be a lot more work for them though. I started reporting some posts but it seems futile.
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You disqualify yourself by ignoring misandry.

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Or maybe you just wanted to confirm that feminists and wokesters, including you, imply that (white) men can't be victims. Which would be more than just a tad sexist. That would indeed be ironic, given that you pretend to fight sexism.
This is misogyny at its finest.
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This is misogyny at its finest.
How exactly? I don't see any misogyny. I don't see in fact any references to women. For something which it isn't, I don't see how it's at its finest.
Misogyny: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Not all "Feminists and wokesters" are women and not all women are "Feminists and wokesters".
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Jim2007 was/is always a factual poster. The best way to honor his leaving is by creating a thread with a lot of random drama
Do you have any suggestions?

Just for you (and Pancakes, since asked a few times already and it's a good question);

Controversial/Random Drama:

Alcohol should not be sold on weekends.
Pharmacists should not be allowed to prescribe medicines.
Animal testing should be banned.
Public speaking boosts the confidence of students.
Children are not supposed to play video games.
Beauty pageants are setting ridiculous standards in society.
Obesity in children is increasing because of parents’ lack of control over their children.
Children should not be allowed to use gadgets.
There should be no advertisements on kids channels.
People should be fined according to their income.
Can drug addicts deal through help or punishment?
Police should be allowed to use lethal force.
Are men stronger than women?
Obese people should pay more for healthcare.
Healthcare should not be free for everyone.
Rich people should pay more taxes.
Women should be paid less than men.
Wars are never justified.

Fun:

Women are much more complicated than men.
Which one is better? Eat to live or live to eat?
Children should not be allowed to watch cartoons as they portray violence.
Why can men date younger women, but women can’t date younger men?
Are there some discrete messages in nursery rhymes?
Morals or money? Which one is necessary to survive?
Which gender is better? Male or female?
How does sunlight affect vampires?
Can vampires get AIDS?
How will life be after death?
Barbie is a good role model for young girls.
Do fairy tales affect children’s reality perception?
Has the #MeToo movement gone too far?
Which is the better pet? Dogs or cats.
What comes first? Chicken or eggs.
Winters are better than summer.
Do you want to live forever?
What is a better dessert? Cake or ice cream.
What is the best topping of pizza?
No one should ever tell a lie.

Political:

Monarchy should end worldwide.
Everyone should be allowed to keep weapons.
Free speech is an individual right.
Religious schools and churches should also be charged with taxes.
Is freedom of speech necessary for a nation to grow?
What should be the penalty for illegal immigrants?
There should be more members of the jury.
Refugees should not be allowed to acquire any sort of nationality.
Is it ethical to carry an automatic weapon?
Is patriotism a good or a bad thing?
Is the US Constitution a living document?
Political campaigns must be organized on money borrowed by corporations.
Limiting terms for US senators and representatives brings more harm than benefit.
Why should churches pay more taxes?
Police should use deadly force. Discuss why.
Why must the royal family be abolished?
People should own guns. Why?
Why are automatic weapons legalized?
Voting should be made mandatory for everyone.
Importance of freedom of speech.

Public fora:

Abortion is the right of every woman.
Genetic engineering is not a natural process and should not be legalized.
Birth control pills should be accessible to teenagers.
There should be an equal ratio of male and female employees in the workplace.
Barbie is not a practical example of a role model.
Feminism is causing more harm than good.
Gay couples should be allowed to adopt children.
Marijuana has its advantages.
The MeToo movement is being misused, forgetting its real purpose.
The media should be free to express their opinions and criticism.
Public prayer should not be allowed in schools.
Smoking should be banned worldwide.
The form of government should provide free birth control.
Can we trust banks?
Financial issues destroy a nation.
Is taxation good or bad?
How can humans affect animals?
Discuss the importance of financial stability.
We should lower the voting age for everyone.
Mobile banking is not a safe procedure. Why?

Interesting topics:


Is sex education necessary for middle school students?
Nuclear powers are the major cause of wars.
Same-sex marriage should not be allowed.
Gay relationships are against nature.
Students are becoming way too dependent on technology.
Money is a major source of motivation in the workplace.
Girls should be encouraged and supported to enter the STEM research field.
Is money a key factor in getting exoneration from crimes?
Alternative energy resources should be explored and used to preserve natural resources.
Censorship should be made less lenient for educational documentaries.
Gay couples should be allowed to adopt children.
The sale of fur must be banned.
Reality television is harming society.
Why is paintball a real sport?
Sports are more important than arts.
What are the differences between cricket and hockey?
Why is it important to ban late-night alcohol sales?
Unpaid internships should be made illegal.
Beauty contests should be banned.
Gay couples should not be allowed to adopt children.

All from 5staressays.com.

And - A debatable topic is: meaning it is subject to disagreement or doubt. If you've ever seen politicians or anyone else have a debate, then you already have a pretty good idea of what debatable means. Something is debatable if there's reason to doubt it.

From vocabulary.com

Some good pointless debate topics are here: https://twentytwowords.com/people-sh...y-involved-in/

I will turn this into a sticky for when people feel like debating over something, so they could find it. Cheer.

I liked Arts vs Science. And a kid Q, I did not post kids' questions - one of them asked if parents should be punished at school instead of the kids
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How exactly? I don't see any misogyny. I don't see in fact any references to women. For something which it isn't, I don't see how it's at its finest.
Misogyny: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Not all "Feminists and wokesters" are women and not all women are "Feminists and wokesters".
He included me in his definition for, what I can only assume, being I’m an outspoken female.

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From a newbie, this thread is insane. Is it always the case that a simple statement - as quoted - breaks down into this kind of he said, she said, it said nonsense and runs on for several hundred responses, almost none of which are to do with the topic?
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