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Old 16.07.2021, 22:09
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I don't believe so, as the bullies were put out to pasture so to speak.
Must be another reason those mods are so quiet.
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Old 16.07.2021, 22:13
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As a site newbie but long time watcher, I'm finding this forum interesting (and useful). Clearly there are a lot of 'old timers' and also clearly there is a huge amount of antipathy, how people are. Look forward to dodging the bullets and make - hopefully - positive contributions.
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
I don’t see any right wing posters or posts on here. Leaning right is pretty accurate actually.
The most extreme is a bit right of center, more David Cameron than Enoch Powell.
Coronavirus is the litmus test, which proves the point. All of the "leaning right people" to my knowledge have had the vaccine. Yes even Tony Clifton. In other words we arent followers of half banked trumpian fantasies and are moderate grown ups who live in the real world. Perhaps certain people have stepped over the line at times but really the fact when push comes to shove we've been sensible shouldn't be forgotten. Certainly when there are so many people in the world who haven't been.

Going back to the Jim thing - or rather not him specifically but the general situation of which I think this latest episode is symptomatic. And without trying to be partisan - and making an effort to see it from others perspective, This is my 2p:

There are a lot of very long standing older members in their 50s and 60s or thereabouts who liked the forum as it was 10 or 15 years ago. When it was more of a social hub that blended in more with real life and less of an anonymous discussion place. It's easy to forget this place is from the Dawn of time. Predating Facebook... - so presumably was like the expat Facebook in the day.

I think this group of people don't really like overtly political points, or at least not too often, as it wasn't what the site was really set up for and hence have problems with the likes of MC and FMF (who are clearly on the right). Apart from RufusB it's not so much that they are left wing more that they think political debate is for Twitter and Englishforum is for talking about Switzerland. Perhaps part (but not all) of this groups dislike of overpoliticking is that they've been gone from their home countries for so long they find it less interesting and relevant to talk about politics back home. They don't really want overtly political moderators and want to preserve what made English forum special.

Then there's the more younger crowd who are more used to the internet being a free for all who want no rules pretty much apart from being respectful to one another. Switzerland being Switzerland and expats being expats this crowd leans significantly to the right. They see Moderators getting involved in political discussion and even being partisan as fine as long as they moderate in a strictly blind fashion.

(And then Theres Ticino Tom...)

I think everyone would actually get on over a beer - the disagreements aren't even political really but rather simply about what this community is for and about. Ultimately of course it is better to be big tent and make everyone happy, if possible.

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Old 16.07.2021, 22:17
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Coronavirus is the litmus test, which proves the point. All of the "leaning right people" to my knowledge have had the vaccine. Yes even Tony Clifton. In other words we arent followers of half banked trumpian fantasies and are moderate grown ups who live in the real world. Perhaps certain people have stepped over the line at times but really the fact when push comes to shove we've been sensible shouldn't be forgotten. Certainly when there are do many people in the world who haven't been.

Going back to the Jim thing - or rather not him specifically but the general situation of which I think this latest episode is symptomatic. And without trying to be partisan - and making an effort to see it from others perspective, This is my 2p:

There are a lot of very long standing older members in their 50s and 60s or thereabouts who liked the forum as it was 10 or 15 years ago. When it was more of a social hub that blended in more with real life and less of an anonymous discussion place.

I think this group of people don't really like overtly political points, or at least not too often, as it wasn't what the site was really set up for and hence have problems with the likes of MC and FMF (who are clearly on the right). Apart from RufusB it's not so much that they are left wing more that they think political debate is for Twitter and Englishforum is for talking about Switzerland. Perhaps part (but not all) of this groups dislike of overpoliticking is that they've been gone from their home countries for so long they find it less interesting and relevant. They don't really want overtly political moderators.

Then there's the more younger crowd who are more used to the internet being a free for all who want no rules pretty much apart from being respectful to one another. Switzerland being Switzerland and expats being expats this crowd leans significantly to the right. They see Moderators getting involved in political discussion and even being partisan as fine as long as they moderate in a strictly blind fashion.
And, breathe.
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Old 16.07.2021, 22:25
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Must be another reason those mods are so quiet.
They are no longer members, so I would expect them to be quiet once you get deleted you can't post any more.
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Old 16.07.2021, 22:37
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They are no longer members, so I would expect them to be quiet once you get deleted you can't post any more.
I meant those remaining mods who you contended were bullied in the past.
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Old 16.07.2021, 22:53
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I meant those remaining mods who you contended were bullied in the past.
5 Mods & Editor Bob were on line today, the other 2 were online yesterday, 1 of which is on holiday & the other has not posted this year. (As it happens I am also on holiday & will be in Switzerland tomorrow)

Most people want to be liked & won't rock the boat, if they don't have a strong opposing opinion.
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Old 16.07.2021, 22:58
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5 Mods & Editor Bob were on line today, the other 2 were online yesterday, 1 of which is on holiday & the other has not posted this year. (As it happens I am also on holiday & will be in Switzerland tomorrow)

Most people want to be liked & won't rock the boat, if they don't have a strong opposing opinion.
I am on hols too, kinda wish we had more memes goin' - a bit more fiesta feel. Instead of Covid and floods.
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Old 16.07.2021, 23:09
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What's this? Page 5? YAWN...
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Of course it does ?
Sorry I confused myself with all the negatives and "mis-wrote" - it should have been "any less unacceptable". Seems you misunderstood what was actually written but understood my intended meaning anyway. I really can't be sure.
I don't know what these "German comments" were where you say German isn't a race therefore it isn't racist to discriminate against them I assume in an attempt to forgive anti-German comments. What I meant, for the avoidance of doubt, is that just because anti-German comments might not meet the definition of racism it doesn't make them any less unacceptable.

I would say I don't know why I bother but it's good practice to keep my reasoning and typing skills up and it seems others are expressing similar views in an attempt to improve the integrity of the forum.
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Really interested how Blueangel knows so much of the workings of the modzone.
From 2003-2010, I was a mod on one of the biggest political forums in the US with over 500k worldwide membership at our peak. Still in very regular contact with several of that mod team. That's how I know how a mod team works, so you can stop being paranoid.
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If I understood correctly, a white guy called all white guys from another country Nazis?
Is that really what this is all about?
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Old 17.07.2021, 08:26
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Wasn't that you in the "Friends of the EU" thread?
Yes, but how was that offensive?

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If I understood correctly, a white guy called all white guys from another country Nazis?
I did not use the word "all".

It was a thread about German vs. Swiss bureaucracy!

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I did not use the word "all".

It was a thread about German vs. Swiss bureaucracy!

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So you are the guilty party.
Even mentioning the second world war can get you into trouble:
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Yes, but how was that offensive?

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Don't ask me. Just saw that Jim groaned at it. I did not even find the Nazi thing offensive, just annoying and unhelpful.
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From 2003-2010, I was a mod on one of the biggest political forums in the US with over 500k worldwide membership at our peak. Still in very regular contact with several of that mod team. That's how I know how a mod team works, so you can stop being paranoid.
You seemed to know how the mod team at EF worked which is something different.

There have been references to leaks in mod zone, I was just dotting the i's & crossing the t's.
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I'm pretty sure the Krauts have been fair game since WW2. Let's face it, some animals are more equal than others.

Like dogs should not be eaten, but pigs are ok?
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Old 17.07.2021, 09:50
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There have been references to leaks in mod zone, I was just dotting the i's & crossing the t's.
Calm down. You're just a mod in a dying forum, not an agent in the CIA.
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