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Jim2007 16.07.2021 14:16

Deleting My Account
 
After 14 years, it is with a certain amount of sadness, I have decided to delete my account.

There are all kinds of people here, some educate and inform, some make me laugh, some make me shake my head and some annoy me for a few minutes. But there is one thing that keeps me annoyed - racism in any format.

In the past 24 hours, a member with a reputation for being contraversal posted a blatant racist statement. The post was deleted and the poster goes on his merry way to sin again...

After all that has gone on around the world over the past few months, the fact that the mods seem to feel continuing to enable this kind of behaviour is acceptable, is beyond me and I have decided that a community moderated in such a style is one I no longer want to be a member of.

greenmount 16.07.2021 14:25

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Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 3328474)
After 14 years, it is with a certain amount of sadness, I have decided to delete my account.

There are all kinds of people here, some educate and inform, some make me laugh, some make me shake my head and some annoy me for a few minutes. But there is one thing that keeps me annoyed - racism in any format.

In the past 24 hours, a member with a reputation for being contraversal posted a blatant racist statement. The post was deleted and the poster goes on his merry way to sin again...

After all that has gone on around the world over the past few months, the fact that the mods seem to feel continuing to enable this kind of behaviour is acceptable, is beyond me and I have decided that a community moderated in such a style is one I no longer want to be a member of.

And....another one bites the dust..
Sorry to see you go, Jim2007.. :(

Susie-Q 16.07.2021 14:27

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Sorry you are leaving, wishing you all the best.

Maybe you can take a break, I try to now and then.

meloncollie 16.07.2021 14:43

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Jim, I am sorry it has come to this.

Your contributions over the years have been invaluable. I for one have benefitted greatly from your extensive knowledge - thank you for that. EF will be a poorer place without you.

I wish you all the very best.

Ouchboy 16.07.2021 15:05

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Not sure your request will be heard here. try emailing/pm editor bob?


if this is a goodbye thread; well.... i guess the racists claim one more victim on this forum:msncrazy:

komsomolez 16.07.2021 15:10

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Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 3328474)
In the past 24 hours, a member with a reputation for being contraversal posted a blatant racist statement. The post was deleted and the poster goes on his merry way to sin again...

If you are referring to what I think you are, this was neither racist nor reason to get overly upset about.

smackerjack 16.07.2021 15:12

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I am so sorry that you are going to delete your account - you are one of the long time posters like me and have contributed so much over the years.

Maybe take a bit of time out - block those you don't wish to read but it is so sad that we have lost so many long standing posters driven out but a few immature members....

FairDinkum 16.07.2021 15:13

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Maybe you both are just attenetion seekers :o

He said that to provoke and you have opened this topic so everyone sheds a little tear when you could've left in silence ;):msnblush:

Nocando 16.07.2021 15:38

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Social media sucks.
In which face to face forum / gathering / grouping would a person be able to get away with the kind of insults / race-baiting / horribly judgemental opinions one sees all the time on social media?
Can you imagine a person yelling out "All abc's are #*@+#'s" in his neighbourhood cafe and getting away with it unscathed?
A 100 years from now people will hopefully be wondering how mankind 'allowed' something like this to flourish.

Tom1234 16.07.2021 15:44

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Originally Posted by FairDinkum (Post 3328506)
Maybe you both are just attenetion seekers :o

He said that to provoke and you have opened this topic so everyone sheds a little tear when you could've left in silence ;):msnblush:

I think it's safe to say that, at the moment, you are the biggest attention seeker on the forum.

robBob 16.07.2021 15:46

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Pity!

Landers 16.07.2021 15:49

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I'm not sure that leaving the forum for this reason is the right action but of course anyone is free to leave if they want. I believe it was put forward recently that ignoring the problem is as bad as being part of the problem.

Pachyderm 16.07.2021 15:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 3328474)
After 14 years, it is with a certain amount of sadness, I have decided to delete my account.

There are all kinds of people here, some educate and inform, some make me laugh, some make me shake my head and some annoy me for a few minutes. But there is one thing that keeps me annoyed - racism in any format.

In the past 24 hours, a member with a reputation for being contraversal posted a blatant racist statement. The post was deleted and the poster goes on his merry way to sin again...

After all that has gone on around the world over the past few months, the fact that the mods seem to feel continuing to enable this kind of behaviour is acceptable, is beyond me and I have decided that a community moderated in such a style is one I no longer want to be a member of.

Hey Jim, we've crossed swords a few times here, but I wouldn't want you to leave the forum. Your advice and insights are always interesting, even if I disagree sometimes. I don't know who the poster in question is or what the remark was, but why let him win (presuming it's a male)? You have a range of options open to you like blocking his posts, reporting him, taking issue and arguing with him, simply ignoring him, and so on. Leaving the forum isn't the best option IMO, and will only leave him sitting there, grinning from ear to ear about another success. I hope you stay.

fatmanfilms 16.07.2021 15:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 3328474)
After 14 years, it is with a certain amount of sadness, I have decided to delete my account.

There are all kinds of people here, some educate and inform, some make me laugh, some make me shake my head and some annoy me for a few minutes. But there is one thing that keeps me annoyed - racism in any format.

In the past 24 hours, a member with a reputation for being contraversal posted a blatant racist statement. The post was deleted and the poster goes on his merry way to sin again...

After all that has gone on around the world over the past few months, the fact that the mods seem to feel continuing to enable this kind of behaviour is acceptable, is beyond me and I have decided that a community moderated in such a style is one I no longer want to be a member of.

You have missed some details about this.

You chose NOT to report a post you did not like. The post was reported & within 5 minutes I deleted it, you chose to comment on the post which I also deleted along with a couple of other comments.

Within a few minutes I received a PM from you saying you had escalated the matter to an administrator, due to the tone of the PM, I reported the PM. It as it was clearly something for the administrators to deal with & in my view far too serious a matter for the moderators to deal with.

You will be sadly missed

Klostersgirl 16.07.2021 16:13

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Originally Posted by Pachyderm (Post 3328533)
Hey Jim, we've crossed swords a few times here, but I wouldn't want you to leave the forum. Your advice and insights are always interesting, even if I disagree sometimes. I don't know who the poster in question is or what the remark was, but why let him win (presuming it's a male)? You have a range of options open to you like blocking his posts, reporting him, taking issue and arguing with him, simply ignoring him, and so on. Leaving the forum isn't the best option IMO, and will only leave him sitting there, grinning from ear to ear about another success. I hope you stay.

I have to say I agree with this point of view. I don't post on this Forum that often, but do recognise your name and avatar and would also be sorry to see you leave. There are several members on here that I ignore by simply not reading their posts or skim reading them and moving on. I don't know which post you are referring to, but it clearly upset you, demonstrating that you have values and integrity. In my opinion the Forum needs more people like you. I hope you will reconsider.

Belgianmum 16.07.2021 16:20

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Originally Posted by Klostersgirl (Post 3328541)
I have to say I agree with this point of view. I don't post on this Forum that often, but do recognise your name and avatar and would also be sorry to see you leave. There are several members on here that I ignore by simply not reading their posts or skim reading them and moving on. I don't know which post you are referring to, but it clearly upset you, demonstrating that you have values and integrity. In my opinion the Forum needs more people like you. I hope you will reconsider.

I agree completely.

There are more and more posters that I am choosing to ignore, soon there will be more of those than anything else.

Susie-Q 16.07.2021 16:35

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3328538)
You have missed some details about this.

You chose NOT to report a post you did not like. The post was reported & within 5 minutes I deleted it, you chose to comment on the post which I also deleted along with a couple of other comments.

Within a few minutes I received a PM from you saying you had escalated the matter to an administrator, due to the tone of the PM, I reported the PM. It as it was clearly something for the administrators to deal with & in my view far too serious a matter for the moderators to deal with.

Rather than acknowledge and attempt to understand the issue, you immediately go on the defence. And the current mods wonder why there is a mass exodus ... or perhaps they don't care.

Please try harder, thanks very much.

fatmanfilms 16.07.2021 16:52

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Originally Posted by Susie-Q (Post 3328554)
Rather than acknowledge and attempt to understand the issue, you immediately go on the defence. And the current mods wonder why there is a mass exodus ... or perhaps they don't care.

Please try harder, thanks very much.

I understand the issue, however due to tone of the communication there is nothing further I can do.

We had an exodus last year, the year before & even rival forums have been set up multiple times, it's really nothing new.

Looking at posting stats, the forum was busier in June 21 than in the previous 4 years in June, looks like the same will be true for July.

amogles 16.07.2021 16:59

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Originally Posted by Susie-Q (Post 3328554)
Rather than acknowledge and attempt to understand the issue, you immediately go on the defence. And the current mods wonder why there is a mass exodus ... or perhaps they don't care.

Please try harder, thanks very much.

Talking about mass exodus and stirring and bullying.

I wonder why you didn't post publically what you sent me as a rep message?

NickGB 16.07.2021 17:00

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Originally Posted by Susie-Q (Post 3328554)
Rather than acknowledge and attempt to understand the issue, you immediately go on the defence. And the current mods wonder why there is a mass exodus ... or perhaps they don't care.

Please try harder, thanks very much.


I'm sorry to wade in here and perhaps I don't have enough history, but the response seems perfectly factual and the action taken sensible. I know there still seems to be raw feelings regarding recent changes in moderators, but it seems like assuming the worst as a default position.


Again, I try to stay out of anything overly political!


Jim, very sorry to see you leaving

FairDinkum 16.07.2021 17:02

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If Jim finds how that one comment was really bad and racist then Jim should stick around and fight that type of inaccepatable negativity.

Jim was a bit worried how the mods didnt react fast and that shocked him. A mod just explaned what happened and measures were taken. Jim is loved by many members and he should give the forum another chance so we all live here happily ever after :o:p:D

Susie was bit nervous because a mod replied but in a way if a mod did not reply that would've been seen also something like a "bad mod" attitude.

Everyone should get themselves a good drink, a Spritz Veneziano like I did and stop nagging and whining.

There I fixed the problem. :) we can go on now and bitchh about the virus or smthg

Susie-Q 16.07.2021 17:05

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Originally Posted by amogles (Post 3328566)
Talking about mass exodus and stirring and bullying.

I wonder why you didn't post publically what you sent me as a rep message?

You really need help amogles - please keep to the subject & this is the absolute last reply you will get from me here as Jim deserves better. I also sent it as a rep because the Covid thread should not be about petty arguments & several users had requested it to be so, I agree with them.

Glad to share - I corrected your false statement about my health condition and informed you that were totally out of line and had been reported. Not so scandalous is it?

amogles 16.07.2021 17:11

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Originally Posted by Susie-Q (Post 3328569)
You really need help amogles - please keep to the subject & this is the absolute last reply you will get from me here as Jim deserves better. I also sent it as a rep because the Covid thread should not be about petty arguments & several users had requested it to be so, I agree with them.

Glad to share - I corrected your false statement about my health condition and informed you that were totally out of line and had been reported. Not so scandalous is it?

You said a bit more than that actually.

And no, red rep is not there for saying things that don't belong in the thread.

What a curious thing to assume.

Medea Fleecestealer 16.07.2021 17:11

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3328560)
I understand the issue, however due to tone of the communication there is nothing further I can do.

We had an exodus last year, the year before & even rival forums have been set up multiple times, it's really nothing new.

Looking at posting stats, the forum was busier in June 21 than in the previous 4 years in June, looks like the same will be true for July.

The question is why it was busier? Could it be because of the threads that were made about members' unhappiness in how the forum was being moderated?

Sorry you're leaving us Jim. :(

Susie-Q 16.07.2021 17:11

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3328560)
Looking at posting stats, the forum was busier in June 21 than in the previous 4 years in June, looks like the same will be true for July.

Most of us are bored & home more than usual due to the pandemic, probably why the numbers are high.

I would look more for quality long term posters who are leaving, you cannot deny that & how the direction of this forum is becoming much more negative and full of conflict. While it has always existed, this is at a new level and the biggest offenders now seem to get a free pass.

Landers 16.07.2021 17:12

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Originally Posted by Susie-Q (Post 3328554)
Rather than acknowledge and attempt to understand the issue, you immediately go on the defence. And the current mods wonder why there is a mass exodus ... or perhaps they don't care.

Please try harder, thanks very much.

I believe he was in this case providing some balance. What would you like for him do have done differently?

I also believe there's a greater problem why people leave or post once and never come back. I suppose the closest description could be a lack of tolerance and understanding.

Susie-Q 16.07.2021 17:12

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Originally Posted by amogles (Post 3328574)
You said a bit more than that actually.

And no, red rep is not there for saying things that don't belong in the thread.

What a curious thing to assume.

Feel free to copy and paste what I wrote, this is nothing more that I said other than nothing would most likely be done about the report I made on you.

I’m off to enjoy the weekend now and I hope everybody else does the same despite the weather.

Talk to you later 16.07.2021 17:14

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I have been busy polishing and readying my bum for the second Moderna vaccine and I missed all the drama here.

Would someone let me know what happened and who it was? PM will do too :)

Regarding racism, MODERATED, I feel judging someone by the colour of their skin is not a very bright thing to do.

If the person was truly racist and crude then a warning plus 1-7 day ban would do. Actually, deletion of post would be enough from my point of view, but then I have very thick skin and stuff like that does not get to me.

Pancakes 16.07.2021 17:19

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The amount of unnecessary aggression on this forum in general has become unbearable.

Jim, I wish you the very best and, if you do delete your account, I can only hope that you will come to find it to be a "blessing in disguise." I wonder how many of the world's problems have actually been solved by people arguing on internet forums. :)

"Hell is other people" -- Jean-Paul Sartre

Talk to you later 16.07.2021 17:24

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Jim2007, maybe come back as Jim2021 or think longterm and come back as Jim3000 :D

Landers 16.07.2021 17:24

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Originally Posted by Talk to you later (Post 3328581)
...

I appreciate you're comfortable with it but whether you're in the group or not I don't think propagating perceived racial (or otherwise) slurs is a good idea.

fatmanfilms 16.07.2021 17:34

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Originally Posted by Pancakes (Post 3328582)
The amount of unnecessary aggression on this forum in general has become unbearable.

The forum seems very much friendlier than it was earlier this year, hence the return of posters & even a moderator who had avoided posting.
I have had PM's from people I would have never expected to approve of the changes thanking me for my hard work.

amogles 16.07.2021 17:38

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Originally Posted by Landers (Post 3328587)
I appreciate you're comfortable with it but whether you're in the group or not I don't think propagating perceived racial (or otherwise) slurs is a good idea.

It seems to me that FMF did the right thing by deleting the offending post.

I really don't see what there is to take issue with.

Pancakes 16.07.2021 17:42

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3328589)
The forum seems very much friendlier than it was earlier this year, hence the return of posters & even a moderator who had avoided posting.
I have had PM's from people I would have never expected to approve of the changes thanking me for my hard work.

Yeah, maybe it is actually a bit calmer now than it was. Sometimes there's just a nasty "flare-up" I guess. Like hemorrhoids. :p

I actually do like you and don't mind you being a moderator. I know we don't see eye-to-eye in regard to politics or whatever, but I'm able to look past that because you treat me respectfully and I hope you feel that I do the same to you.

Anyways... Kudos to anyone who is trying to reduce the amount of bulls*** in this place! :)

Landers 16.07.2021 17:46

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Originally Posted by amogles (Post 3328592)
It seems to me that FMF did the right thing by deleting the offending post.

I really don't see what there is to take issue with.

You've misunderstood. I was referring to a post in this thread which still exists.

Talk to you later 16.07.2021 17:50

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Originally Posted by Pancakes (Post 3328593)
... amount of bulls*** in this place! :)

We like the smell of our own fart, but everyone else's farts stink. That is basically EF in a nutshell :)

parnell 16.07.2021 17:56

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3328538)
You have missed some details about this.

You chose NOT to report a post you did not like. The post was reported & within 5 minutes I deleted it, you chose to comment on the post which I also deleted along with a couple of other comments.

Within a few minutes I received a PM from you saying you had escalated the matter to an administrator, due to the tone of the PM, I reported the PM. It as it was clearly something for the administrators to deal with & in my view far too serious a matter for the moderators to deal with.

You will be sadly missed

If it's the post about the Germans then Germans are not a race - nor are the Irish for that matter so ease off on the soy.

Treverus 16.07.2021 17:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3328589)
The forum seems very much friendlier than it was earlier this year, hence the return of posters & even a moderator who had avoided posting.
I have had PM's from people I would have never expected to approve of the changes thanking me for my hard work.

I am the user who actually reported the post in question and I can confirm that you deleted it within a few minutes. Before that was it around for 12 hours or so and multiple users complained about it in the thread instead of reporting it.

I guess what Jim and frankly I are missing are consequences from the mod team. If a user goes too far, he should get a day or week off... and well, this seems to never happen anymore no matter how hostile, racist or insulting the post is. This post is just one example - the tone and aggressiveness on EF is clearly higher than it used to be.

Unlike others do I not blame you for it, but you took on the role to moderate the forum, so please do so some more...

CliiniMuus 16.07.2021 17:59

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Ignoring anything which may come under criminal conduct for a moment, posters will have differing thoughts on what constitutes (whichever negative quality), and that's why I don't believe it's enough to aim for a reduction in (whichever negative quality). That wouldn't go far enough for me, as it leaves too much wiggle room to dismiss the conduct as fine, on a forum where posters commonly join in when another poster is being abused, and use rep and groans to demean others (instead of contributing alternative views moderately on the forum).



I feel there's largely an absence of civility and kindness, and the tone is often, at best, impolite. I feel there's a lack of decency, as it pertains to apologising and conceding.


Posters will have differing thoughts on the above, as they should. These are just mine, as a new joiner, who wasn't welcomed at all on the board. I've found the large majority of the mod's to be either disinterested, or pretty spiteful and mocking, towards new joiners. Of course, posters will have different opinions on whether mod's should model decency on the forum, or just police behind the scenes.

fatmanfilms 16.07.2021 18:05

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 3328601)
I am the user who actually reported the post in question and I can confirm that you deleted it within a few minutes. Before that was it around for 12 hours or so and multiple users complained about it in the thread instead of reporting it.

I guess what Jim and frankly I are missing are consequences from the mod team. If a user goes too far, he should get a day or week off... and well, this seems to never happen anymore no matter how hostile, racist or insulting the post is. This post is just one example - the tone and aggressiveness on EF is clearly higher than it used to be.

Unlike others do I not blame you for it, but you took on the role to moderate the forum, so please do so some more...

Bizarrely 2 posters reported it within 1 minute of each other.

Due to the contents of the PM, I decided the matter was now out of my hands, the other mods presumably agreed as they were sent a copy. The Administrators may or may not be seeking legal advise before any action is taken.


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