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Subsidized water-saving showerhead program - cheap and green feels good!!

Can't see a mention elsewhere, so here goes: For a few years now, there has been a program offering discounted shower heads to households which now runs throughout Switzerland. The goal is to save water and energy, so the discount is higher for households that have a polluting heating source (oil and gas): the price is 10 CHF, vs 24 CHF otherwise (and list price 37 CHF). (Not sure how Swiss that part feels , but makes sense as public policy.)
Conditions and order forms here:
DE: https://duschbrause-co2.ch/mitmachen
FR: https://sinum.ch/fr/ecolive
Details of the program and shower head here:
https://www.myclimate.org/informatio...618ca1e6e9ce88

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Can't see a mention elsewhere, so here goes: For a few years now, there has been a program offering discounted shower heads to households which now runs throughout Switzerland. The goal is to save water and energy, so the discount is higher for households that have a polluting heating source (oil and gas): 10 CHF, vs 24 CHF otherwise. (Not sure how Swiss that part feels , but makes sense as public policy.)
Conditions and order forms here:
DE: https://duschbrause-co2.ch/mitmachen
FR: https://sinum.ch/fr/ecolive
Details of the program and shower head here:
https://www.myclimate.org/informatio...618ca1e6e9ce88
That's the same system one can put on taps, no?

You got one? Do you still get wet within reasonable time?

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Can't see a mention elsewhere, so here goes: For a few years now, there has been a program offering discounted shower heads to households which now runs throughout Switzerland. The goal is to save water and energy, so the discount is higher for households that have a polluting heating source (oil and gas): 10 CHF, vs 24 CHF otherwise. (Not sure how Swiss that part feels , but makes sense as public policy.)
Conditions and order forms here:
DE: https://duschbrause-co2.ch/mitmachen
FR: https://sinum.ch/fr/ecolive
Details of the program and shower head here:
https://www.myclimate.org/informatio...618ca1e6e9ce88
In my opinion, it's pretty useless. People will just spend more time in the shower.
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That's the same system on can put on taps, no?

You got one? Do you still get wet within reasonable time?
For regular taps you may mean this program: https://www.myclimate.org/informatio...ficiency-7810/
The program in my initial post is for shower heads. These are good and economical shower heads. They are not fancy in the sense of multiple settings with pulse and other luxuries (which hardly anyone uses long in my experience). They are good quality and do save water and thus energy. Can't say it takes longer to get wet.
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In my opinion, it's pretty useless. People will just spend more time in the shower.
You would have to spend twice as long in the shower to negate the savings. Not likely, and not my experience.
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You would have to spend twice as long in the shower to negate the savings. Not likely, and not my experience.
In my experience, whenever I happen to use one of those water-saving shower heads, I feel like punching somebody's grandma afterwards. There seems to be never enough water and I can't just zip in and out of the shower. A definite no for me...but if you're happy with it, be my guest. On second thought, don't be my guest. I can almost cut concrete with my shower head.
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I can almost cut concrete with my shower head.
Down the drain then.
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Old 18.08.2021, 23:29
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For regular taps you may mean this program: https://www.myclimate.org/informatio...ficiency-7810/
The program in my initial post is for shower heads. These are good and economical shower heads. They are not fancy in the sense of multiple settings with pulse and other luxuries (which hardly anyone uses long in my experience). They are good quality and do save water and thus energy. Can't say it takes longer to get wet.
I got the ones on the taps. You can buy them at Obi, Coop etc.

As to the fancy shower-head: I discovered I like Coop bonprix ones the best (Fr. 2.50/piece ). Problem is I don't like my showers "gentle and tingly" (those rain-showers for example drive me nuts).

I do wonder where that air comes from they claim to add to the beam.
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Down the drain then.
It's all just water under the bridge.
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It's all just water under the bridge.
And heat into the air, twice. Though the humidifier effect can be welcome in Swiss winters upland, even if that's a terribly inefficient way to humidify.
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I got the ones on the taps. You can buy them at Obi, Coop etc.

As to the fancy shower-head: I discovered I like Coop bonprix ones the best (Fr. 2.50/piece ). Problem is I don't like my showers "gentle and tingly" (those rain-showers for example drive me nuts).

I do wonder where that air comes from they claim to add to the beam.
At Coop your closest equivalent would be this one, for 18 CHF: https://www.bauundhobby.ch/bad-sanit...hrom/p/4370716
But even then the technology is different. The Coop models simply compress the flow, and will be prone to clog with hard water, depending on where you live.
Where the air comes from depends on the model. The one in the myclimate program is aerated (two ways) rather than overpressured, and there are add-on options for flow: http://aquaclic.info/product.php?pro...99110924&sl=US
Yes, it's Swiss made.
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At Coop your closest equivalent would be this one, for 18 CHF: https://www.bauundhobby.ch/bad-sanit...hrom/p/4370716
But even then the technology is different. The Coop models simply compress the flow, and will be prone to clog with hard water, depending on where you live.
Where the air comes from depends on the model. The one in the myclimate program is aerated (two ways) rather than overpressured, and there are add-on options for flow: http://aquaclic.info/product.php?pro...99110924&sl=US
Yes, it's Swiss made.
<<Yet shampoo can easily and thoroughly be rinsed out of even the longest hair. >> Well, they know what people worry about. With me it's not so much the length but the amount.
I might give it a try, considering how long and hot my showers tend to be. But if it's too soft I'll return to my cheap Coop-head in a flash.

So are you actually using this showerhead?
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Old 19.08.2021, 10:54
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In my experience, whenever I happen to use one of those water-saving shower heads, I feel like punching somebody's grandma afterwards. There seems to be never enough water and I can't just zip in and out of the shower. A definite no for me...but if you're happy with it, be my guest. On second thought, don't be my guest. I can almost cut concrete with my shower head.
I'd like one with two modes:

Normal for me when I want a lot of water quickly - 30 seconds to get wet. Shower off. Shower gel. 30 seconds to rinse. Shower off.

Water-saving for my kids who could spend half-an-hour or more in the shower if they were given half the chance.

I know of someone who has automated the valves so the hot water supply turns off automatically after six minutes resulting in an icy cold shower - for the benefit of their teenage daughter.
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I need those automated valves!!!
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Outside of a few villages that get their water from wells, I wasn't aware that we had problems with our water supply.

In our case we get our water from Lac Lemain and our grey water is processed and returned to the lake.

Not saying it's not a good idea but resources could be better spent on alternative electricity programs.
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Can't see a mention elsewhere, so here goes: For a few years now, there has been a program offering discounted shower heads to households which now runs throughout Switzerland. The goal is to save water and energy, so the discount is higher for households that have a polluting heating source (oil and gas): the price is 10 CHF, vs 24 CHF otherwise (and list price 37 CHF). (Not sure how Swiss that part feels , but makes sense as public policy.)
Conditions and order forms here:
DE: https://duschbrause-co2.ch/mitmachen
FR: https://sinum.ch/fr/ecolive
Details of the program and shower head here:
https://www.myclimate.org/informatio...618ca1e6e9ce88
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Re: Subsidized water-saving showerhead program - cheap and green feels good!!

Actually, come to think of it, one thing I always disliked about England was the poor pressure in showers.
Shouldn't many of you therefore feel very much at home with one of these water-saving ones?
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Outside of a few villages that get their water from wells, I wasn't aware that we had problems with our water supply.

In our case we get our water from Lac Lemain and our grey water is processed and returned to the lake.

Not saying it's not a good idea but resources could be better spent on alternative electricity programs.
I don't think it's the water supply. It's the energy required to heat the water.
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At Coop your closest equivalent would be this one, for 18 CHF: https://www.bauundhobby.ch/bad-sanit...hrom/p/4370716
But even then the technology is different. The Coop models simply compress the flow, and will be prone to clog with hard water, depending on where you live.
Where the air comes from depends on the model. The one in the myclimate program is aerated (two ways) rather than overpressured, and there are add-on options for flow: http://aquaclic.info/product.php?pro...99110924&sl=US
Yes, it's Swiss made.

We had one like the the Coop one installed when we moved in. It was nearly impossible to shower with it as the spray was more of a drizzle. Contacted the landlord - they sent someone who agreed the pressure was too low, installed a smaller head with stronger flow - charged us 200 francs.


Still bitter.
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I don't think it's the water supply. It's the energy required to heat the water.
I might worry about how much energy I am using to heat the water for my brief showers when people here stop driving around in massive 4x4 or other big-engined cars.
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