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Food allowances post Brexit back into the EU

Just wondering if anyone knows/has a link to any website that tells me what's allowed to bring back from the UK into France. I did a quick check on the UK and French government sites and as far as I can see there's no restrictions on the type of food that you can bring back, but I recall just after Brexit came into force there were reports of some EU countries confiscating lorry drivers' sandwiches, etc, because they had meat in them. Also saw around the same time that meat/dairy products were no longer allowed to be imported into the EU from the UK so I'm . Can anyone clear up what's allowed and what isn't? We're planning a trip in September and usually bring back stuff we can't get here so I'd like clarification.
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Re: Food allowances post Brexit back into the EU

Is the EU information site on personal imports of any help?
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Ah, yes, that's very useful Kittser. Haven't see that site before. That is what I thought, can't bring meat or diary products back with us.
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Old 23.08.2021, 10:26
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Re: Food allowances post Brexit back into the EU

And there is more

Crazy rule considering a country is affected by a law over night, simply due to a political affiliation. Can't believe Switzerland plays along with this.
On the other hand, once you successfully smuggled it to the Swiss border, anything you bring in comes from the EU.
So just don't fly it in.
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Old 23.08.2021, 10:55
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Re: Food allowances post Brexit back into the EU

Yeah, not likely to bring in any plants or veggies. Still, useful to know.
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Old 23.08.2021, 11:05
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Yeah, not likely to bring in any plants or veggies. Still, useful to know.
But there are these big, sweet tasting peas in England I never managed to find here.
And nope, the "Gartenerbsen" here are not it either.
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Old 23.08.2021, 11:41
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Crazy rule considering a country is affected by a law over night, simply due to a political affiliation. Can't believe Switzerland plays along with this.
On the other hand, once you successfully smuggled it to the Swiss border, anything you bring in comes from the EU.
So just don't fly it in.
It's not as crazy as it sounds. When the U.K. was in the EU, it had to follow EU rules on food safety and hygiene.

Now it's not, it doesn't. The EU only had controls over what officially gets imported into the EU from the U.K.

Worst case scenario - the U.K. could relax all it's import controls and allow the importation of bush meat with some weird African disease that could be passed onto livestock.
Without controls, someone could buy this in the U.K. and hand-carry it into Europe with devastating results.
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Old 23.08.2021, 12:44
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It's not as crazy as it sounds. When the U.K. was in the EU, it had to follow EU rules on food safety and hygiene.

Now it's not, it doesn't. The EU only had controls over what officially gets imported into the EU from the U.K.

Worst case scenario - the U.K. could relax all it's import controls and allow the importation of bush meat with some weird African disease that could be passed onto livestock.
Without controls, someone could buy this in the U.K. and hand-carry it into Europe with devastating results.
Or chlorine washed chickens
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Old 23.08.2021, 13:31
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Which is EU propaganda. All salad in Europe is washed in chlorine.
Actually no, that is done in the USA because their chickens are raised is such poor conditions that they need to find some way to minimise the salmonella and other bacterium that these poor animals carry.

In Europe there are rules for raising chickens, and other animals, humanely and all poultry are vaccinated against diseases.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47440562
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Why ban chlorine-washed chicken?
Washing chicken in chlorine and other disinfectants to remove harmful bacteria was a practice banned by the European Union (EU) in 1997 over food safety concerns. The ban has stopped virtually all imports of US chicken meat which is generally treated by this process.
It's not consuming chlorine itself that the EU is worried about - in fact in 2005 the European Food Safety Authority said that "exposure to chlorite residues arising from treated poultry carcasses would be of no safety concern". Chlorine-rinsed bagged salads are common in the UK and other countries in the EU.
But the EU believes that relying on a chlorine rinse at the end of the meat production process could be a way of compensating for poor hygiene standards - such as dirty or crowded abattoirs.

Instead, the EU says the best way to eliminate the risk of salmonella and other bacteria is to maintain high farming and production standards.
The European Commission says: "This rule is part of wider EU legislation ensuring a high level of safety throughout the food chain, from farm to fork."

The US Department of Agriculture's (USDA) National Antimicrobial Resistance Monitoring System tests samples of raw chicken from shops for bacteria.
In its most recent round of testing it found a significant amount of the bacteria campylobacter - the most common cause of food poisoning - in 30% of chicken carcasses, 26% of chicken parts and 58% of "mechanically separated" chicken, which is used to make things like chicken nuggets.
It recorded how much of the chicken had more than 400 units of bacteria per gram of meat.

A study published in the UK in 2014 commissioned by the government estimated that there were about 34,000 cases of salmonella from food per year or about 55 per 100,000 people, based on 2009 data. A US study published in 2011 - and using data from 2002-2008 - estimated that there were just over a million cases of salmonella each year - a rate of about 350 per 100,000 people.
For campylobacter, the UK study estimated 280,000 cases - about 450 cases per 100,000 people. The US study estimated 845,024 cases of campylobacter or about 300 cases per 100,000 people.
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Old 23.08.2021, 13:42
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Which is EU propaganda. All salad in Europe is washed in chlorine.
That's bagged salad. It's a small amount of chlorine.

Which is exactly what you all do with unbagged salad before eating it -tap water contains chlorine too.

Chlorine-washed chicken is needed in the U.S. because the appalling animal husbandry standards mean the chicken houses are a breeding ground for dangerous bacteria.
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That's bagged salad. It's a small amount of chlorine.

Which is exactly what you all do with unbagged salad before eating it -tap water contains chlorine too.

Chlorine-washed chicken is needed in the U.S. because the appalling animal husbandry standards mean the chicken houses are a breeding ground for dangerous bacteria.
That's not a reason to ban chlorine washing per se though.

If the ban was dependent on animal hygiene standards I'd understand. There will surely be some (more premium) chicken originating from the US that meets EU standards otherwise but is chlorine washed and nevertheless banned. Why can't they fill out some bureaucratic form listing their hygiene standards?

Incidentally its notable that from Bowlie's link above that campylobacteria is more common in UK (an EU state at the time of the study) than in the US, despite the supposedly lower standards in the US (I'm sure animal welfeare standards aren't great in the US, but I'm pretty sure they aren't in the EU either). Salmonella the other way around, granted.

For me this is disguised protectionism. Feel free to think differently. The EU isn't the only place to pull this kind of trick though. Everywhere does and then alleges it is a free trader. I hate the farming lobby.

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Old 23.08.2021, 15:01
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Incidentally its notable that from Bowlie's link above that campylobacteria is more common in UK [than the U.S.]
Inspite of washing in chlorine...
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tap water contains chlorine too
Not ours, not in Ticino in general, nor in most of Switzerland.

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Not ours, not in Ticino in general, nor in most of Switzerland.

Tom
But Chlorine isnít the problem. Itís the Chickens.
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But Chlorine isnít the problem. Itís the Chickens.
I refuse to buy salad in bags. It always (to me) has a slightly 'off' smell.

The last two cases of food poisoning I have had have been due to bagged salad.

If I've got time to eat lettuce, I've got time to trim, wash it, and cut it.


I've just googled it and it appears my fears are not irrational or unfounded:


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According to The Guardian, researchers at the University of Leicester in England discovered that the juices released from the broken leaves of lettuce, spinach, and other greens increase the risk of the bacteria salmonella 2,400-fold. Not only that, those broken leaves and their juices also increases the virulenceóor how much damage the bacteria can doóand makes it easier for the salmonella to cause infection.



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I've just googled it and it appears my fears are not irrational or unfounded
Well, it's nice to have a change every now and then.
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Not ours, not in Ticino in general, nor in most of Switzerland.

Tom
My tap water is yellow in Ticino, it's the worst water I've seen in my life
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My tap water is yellow in Ticino, it's the worst water I've seen in my life
Ah. What you've got there is either got your toilet plumbed into the water intake, or the Feldschlossen brewery.
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You have had food poisoning twice! Something is very wrong.......

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I refuse to buy salad in bags. It always (to me) has a slightly 'off' smell.

The last two cases of food poisoning I have had have been due to bagged salad.

If I've got time to eat lettuce, I've got time to trim, wash it, and cut it.


I've just googled it and it appears my fears are not irrational or unfounded:





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Re: Food allowances post Brexit back into the EU

"I refuse to buy salad in bags. It always (to me) has a slightly 'off' smell".

I remember 10 years ago or more, ALDI UK were always in the press for there being dead things like frogs and small lizards in the bags
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