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you took the money???????? Really, this is shocking......
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LOL - Yes, the money, we took the money. Green is green.
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Being Dutch I really don't understand what the big deal is with the secrecy and outlawing of grass. How many people in the news have you heard of dying from Marijuana consumption? Now how many from alcohol consumption? Alcohol is legal from 16 years of age, Marijuana is not (really) legal regardless of age in CH. Just because the law says marijuana consumption is (sorta) illegal doesn't mean that the law is right. It is even legal to brew your own beer, so why not grow your own grass? The law was probably passed by people who never smoked a blunt in their lives and think marijuana is bad because they're told it's bad.... blind leading the blind.
never understood that either, but then there's a lot worse places for potheads than switzerland Apart from the Netherlands, is there really a country where weed is legal?

BTW, there's a pending popular initiative to legalize weed too, so maybe this will all change soon
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never understood that either, but then there's a lot worse places for potheads than switzerland Apart from the Netherlands, is there really a country where weed is legal?

BTW, there's a pending popular initiative to legalize weed too, so maybe this will all change soon
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Old 04.12.2007, 11:40
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never understood that either, but then there's a lot worse places for potheads than switzerland Apart from the Netherlands, is there really a country where weed is legal?

BTW, there's a pending popular initiative to legalize weed too, so maybe this will all change soon
Indeed, in fact, swissinfo are reporting on it today.

http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/d...53871000&ty=st

EDIT: Interestingly, they call it a haluciogen throughout the article.
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Old 04.12.2007, 12:27
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Re: Growing cannabis

I think depending on the type, it can induce hallucinations. I can remember seeing 4 slices of pink toast that were around 4 metres tall rocking around the room to get me after a couple of puffs
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Old 04.12.2007, 13:03
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My ever so handsome friend discovers all sorts of creative impulses when smoking. Really amazing ideas, solutions to global issues (can't leave it to the Models to save the world) and penetrative insights to the Human Condition. Except he never writes it down and can't remember the next day

Still, going up is worth the... hmm, what's in the fridge..?
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Re: Growing cannabis

I have never seen anything while high on green. Unless farting Santa was not real.
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My ever so handsome friend discovers all sorts of creative impulses when smoking. Really amazing ideas, solutions to global issues (can't leave it to the Models to save the world) and penetrative insights to the Human Condition. Except he never writes it down and can't remember the next day

Still, going up is worth the... hmm, what's in the fridge..?
With a bit of practice you can actually train yourself not to forget stuff and to not get the munchies, but it takes years of hard work to do so and then sometimes it doesn´t work.
Sorry, what was the answer, I can´t remember what the problem was.....
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Old 08.12.2007, 17:13
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Re: Growing cannabis

Info on Swiss drug policy:

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Old 08.12.2007, 18:09
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A majority of Swiss citizens support ending marijuana prohibition. Should the issue be put to a national referendum it would likely pass.
We shall see, because we will vote about the legalisation of usage and growing for personal use sometime 2008-2010. I doubt that the majority of Swiss will vote in favor of the initiative. And the freshly elected parliament has made it clear that it won't push for more liberal laws in their debate this week.
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Old 08.12.2007, 18:34
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opps how did that happen?

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Re: Growing cannabis

Be careful when growing it on your balcony. My ex had a plant on the first floor and it got nicked. Which had, of course, nothing to do with me telling someone I know that he had the plant there. In my defence - he used my money to buy the thing and insisted on smoking weed despite suffering from bipolar disorder and severe responsibility issues, both of which are made worse by cannabis. He was drawing an invalidity pension for "psychological" reasons and has never got his act together since, as he forgets to turn up for important things, among other reasons.

Indeed, we have a special hormone (anandamide) in the brain that seems to be there to help us forget stuff, as we don't actually need to remember EVERYTHING we do. There is growing evidence that THC acts on the receptors for this hormone, which could have a detrimental effect on how well you remember things. There are also studies studies that link cannabis consumption and psychotic episodes, some of which become chronic.

And a recent study done on young people whose lungs inexplicably collapsed found that many of them consumed cannabis and this was creating oversized bubbles in the lung, which is not usually found in cigarette smokers.

In short, there is a reason you can't buy cannabis in Coop and yes, I know alcohol has devastating effects too, but the state assumes that, after a certain age, you are old enough to be sensible.

I'm sure you know all this stuff but studying Biopsychology makes you see just how fragile the brain is and how dreadful the effects of things going wrong are, which I really don't wish on anyone.

Oh and the smell is ABSOLUTELY disgusting.
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Old 08.12.2007, 19:58
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Re: Growing cannabis

Yes, links would be good to back up your assertions. And please, don't let one pot smoker who is bipolar and has other problems mar your image of the majority of pot smokers. I know many many many successful competent people who smoke pot. They even magage to make it to meetings on time.


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Be careful when growing it on your balcony. My ex had a plant on the first floor and it got nicked. Which had, of course, nothing to do with me telling someone I know that he had the plant there. In my defence - he used my money to buy the thing and insisted on smoking weed despite suffering from bipolar disorder and severe responsibility issues, both of which are made worse by cannabis. He was drawing an invalidity pension for "psychological" reasons and has never got his act together since, as he forgets to turn up for important things, among other reasons.

Indeed, we have a special hormone (anandamide) in the brain that seems to be there to help us forget stuff, as we don't actually need to remember EVERYTHING we do. There is growing evidence that THC acts on the receptors for this hormone, which could have a detrimental effect on how well you remember things. There are also studies studies that link cannabis consumption and psychotic episodes, some of which become chronic.

And a recent study done on young people whose lungs inexplicably collapsed found that many of them consumed cannabis and this was creating oversized bubbles in the lung, which is not usually found in cigarette smokers.

In short, there is a reason you can't buy cannabis in Coop and yes, I know alcohol has devastating effects too, but the state assumes that, after a certain age, you are old enough to be sensible.

I'm sure you know all this stuff but studying Biopsychology makes you see just how fragile the brain is and how dreadful the effects of things going wrong are, which I really don't wish on anyone.

Oh and the smell is ABSOLUTELY disgusting.
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Be careful when growing it on your balcony. My ex had a plant on the first floor and it got nicked. Which had, of course, nothing to do with me telling someone I know that he had the plant there. In my defence - he used my money to buy the thing and insisted on smoking weed despite suffering from bipolar disorder and severe responsibility issues, both of which are made worse by cannabis. He was drawing an invalidity pension for "psychological" reasons and has never got his act together since, as he forgets to turn up for important things, among other reasons.

Indeed, we have a special hormone (anandamide) in the brain that seems to be there to help us forget stuff, as we don't actually need to remember EVERYTHING we do. There is growing evidence that THC acts on the receptors for this hormone, which could have a detrimental effect on how well you remember things. There are also studies studies that link cannabis consumption and psychotic episodes, some of which become chronic.

And a recent study done on young people whose lungs inexplicably collapsed found that many of them consumed cannabis and this was creating oversized bubbles in the lung, which is not usually found in cigarette smokers.

In short, there is a reason you can't buy cannabis in Coop and yes, I know alcohol has devastating effects too, but the state assumes that, after a certain age, you are old enough to be sensible.

I'm sure you know all this stuff but studying Biopsychology makes you see just how fragile the brain is and how dreadful the effects of things going wrong are, which I really don't wish on anyone.

Oh and the smell is ABSOLUTELY disgusting.
This is very true I might add pic above is actually real and from a stash in a friends house in England, leaves a nice perfume in the conservatory

I might as someone who's smoked dope (yes I did inhale) I don't see what the fuss is about. Anything in moderation is probably okay with a few exceptions.

Someone whos mentally unstable.
Someone who's got health problems (but cannabis orally taken has benefits for ms suffers, UK govt sort this out!!)

Etc etc.

But really Kittster your ex must have been competely retarded, enough problems without hash on top. You shouldn't have give him the money. He doesn't need dope to solve his problems. No drug is a solution to any problem if it be alcohol or whatever. The solution is to deal with the source of the issue.

Good for you with the plant removal, however I would have told him face to face to remove it to elsewhere. That's a chickens way out, if he was your bf he should understand and deal with it..

Anyway I'm sure this will be a lively conversation at the xmas do. If we smell something funky we now have the suspects haha

IMHO Alcohol is a much bigger problem..
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Yes, links would be good to back up your assertions. And please, don't let one pot smoker who is bipolar and has other problems mar your image of the majority of pot smokers. I know many many many successful competent people who smoke pot. They even magage to make it to meetings on time.
My assertions are what is taught as part of becoming as a Master of Psychology at the University of Zurich.

I don't know just the one pot smoker and so far I've had my opinion confirmed. Even if you can get your life together, the fact that you need to consume a drug is indicative that all is not well.

And yes, I did try it once or twice but I just felt fuzzy, hungry and like I wouldn't really care what happened around or even to me. Why on earth bother?
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My assertions are what is taught as part of becoming as a Master of Psychology at the University of Zurich.

I don't know just the one pot smoker and so far I've had my opinion confirmed. Even if you can get your life together, the fact that you need to consume a drug is indicative that all is not well.

And yes, I did try it once or twice but I just felt fuzzy, hungry and like I wouldn't really care what happened around or even to me. Why on earth bother?
Cases for the best/correct use of pot?

Cafe Del Mar, Ibiza, Turquoise Med Sea, 1999, Red Sunset, spanish guys playing a guitar gently and a couple of puffs with a beer on the beach with my best mates. No words were spoken for about 30 mins, none were needed......

My life is a better place for that moment. No hash wasn't needed but it seemed right. Difficult to explain why.

I class Alcohol and pot on the same level, both in moderation are fine. Pot can help you relax now and again forgetting a bad day, but should never be used as a solution.

Also ingesting pot via correctly named "spacecakes" give a very different affect. I used these at uni as a warm up for a night out on the beer, which I might add is completely mental and not recommended, i've calmed down somewhat since then haha!

So what's alcohol then? I class that as a drug, same with Coffee, tea and various others.

Some would consider bottled water an issue also the way I see my housemate downing it

Btw the last time I smoked pot was in Zurich 3 months ago, before that nearly 1yr, so I don't feel my life has been affected by my addiction...
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Old 08.12.2007, 23:19
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Re: Growing cannabis

Research about the lung damage risk of cannabis consuments has been limited to case studies and basic statistic evaluations so far.


NZZ article about a study/statistic from Inselspital in Bern. They point to another case study from British Medical Journal:

Johnson MK, Smith RP, Morrison D, Laszlo G, White RJ. Large lung bullae in marijuana smokers. Thorax 2000; 55: (bmj.com)

Rebuttal from the cannabis proponents: Interview with a sceptical pharmacologist from the same hospital
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Old 09.12.2007, 16:18
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Re: Growing cannabis

I'm very confused by this statement. Who is to say that I or anyone needed to do anything to get their life together? Like there at some point must have been something wrong with it because pot was being smoked?

On the other comment though, that seems definitely like the mentality of someone taking psychology at Uni. All those people out there who smoke pot do it cause there is just something wrong with them, or at least something not right? (I call BS)

I am of course also assuming that you don't drink at all, or eat when you're not hungry etc etc etc.



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