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Old 17.03.2006, 14:44
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Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

OK, an unmoderated email list often full of ADVERTS but the occasional spicey thing like discussing the Danish cartoons or *SHOCK HORROR* having an over-30s singles event is pushed from the emailing list.

Absolutely chronic. The folks are becoming Swiss - I can find no other excuse.

Perhaps because I read the messages on the Yahoo website rather than have my inbox saturated with emails (as if it isn't already), I skim these messages without reading them - because I ain't single

But why-oh-why drive it off the list - just delete the f--king emails
It actually takes more effort to reply either on- or off-list and complain

Rant over - and sympathy to Britta

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Dear all

Thanks for the many positive (and also the negative) replies I have
received to my posting that I would no longer post Single-over-30
events on the list. I think the decision was right, as this seems to
be a sensitive issue for some non-singles-or-not-over-30's (I have
received quite a number of off-line responses to that effect).

However, given that some of you have also explicitly asked me to
continue offering events, I will now just put them in the calendar.
So, whoever is interested can either join my mailing list or invest
the extra 10 seconds every now and then to check the Expats calendar,
and all others are not bothered.

And as you may have seen, I am also offering events open to everyone,
which I will continue to post to the list.

I hope this serves everyone's interest.
Britta in Zurich
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Old 17.03.2006, 22:46
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Re: Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

Well you can always invite her over here - where people can tune into and out of the things that interest them.

I do find it strange that people would protest about their email being filled up with things they aren't interested in. This begs the obvious question as to why they signed up to an unmoderated email based mailing list in the first place...
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Re: Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

The Yahoo group is becoming less useful and harder to keep track of threads overall. It was OK-ish at 600 members, but isn't it now hitting 1000?

Anyway, more fun to be had here Swiss-bashing
Too many Swissies as you say elsewhere...

Will this go the same way though over time?
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Re: Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

I hope Britta joins us here. I can't believe the way people have treated her. Most of it we'll never know, as it's been emailed to her directly.

I hope this forum stays interesting and that the content continues to have thinking behind it.

Expats has always been full of junk traffic and the events have been the only real interesting things for me. There were hardly any events at all before Britta started the recent spate. I'd be willing to be that the events die off within the next months.

Meetup.com/Expats and Swissies - that group was excellent fun last summer, but now it's almost dead. Maybe people are more inclined to meet in summer rather than winter.

Long live Englishforum. Are we slightly smug here or is it just me?

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PS I am, however, going to have to complain about the use of the word "Swissies" if it keeps cropping up - yuck!
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Old 18.03.2006, 15:26
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Re: Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

Good point DM - there's nothing wrong with the word "Swiss", so maybe we should use that instead.

Haven't seen all this fighting you are talking about, but feel free to invite this Britta person to join us over here.

I hope that things don't get out of hand here, which is why I've already implemented guidelines and rules regarding commercial posting. I don't object to them, but would prefer to see people contribute before they spam - it seems like the fair thing to do.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there that just do drive by spamming. They just pop in, leave their spam and head off to the next place to spam. It's unfortunate, but people like this just end up annoying others and ultimately make the the places where they do this sort of thing less useful.

Just wanted to make a point - Swiss are also welcome here (if they don't get too upset at all the slagging off that goes on in the complaint corner). The title "English" in the name of this forum refers only to the language used here and nothing to do with the origins of the inhabitants...

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Re: Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

Hi, there
Thanks a lot for your so friendly and uplifting postings and the invitation to your forum. I am the person, and this year, I have started organizing events for singles over thirty, but also general events free for everyone. Things we did included movies, drinks, a concert, exhibitions, a trip to the Lucerne Fasnacht. The idea is just to bring people together, without the pressure of dating, but also without feeling like the fifth wheel on the car.

However, some people have reacted very strongly, both on the Expats list and off the list. While I had had some doubt as to whether I should expose myself like that, I had not expected pages of emails with psychological analyses of my personality. But I have also received great support from people who joined my events and even some who did not. Thank you so much - I had also not expected that!

I am looking forward to being part of this forum, and I hope to meet some of you in person.

Kind regards
Idgie

P.S. Just in case you are interested: The singles over thirty are meeting on Sunday, March 19, at 7 p.m. at the SKEBE bar in Zurich, near Bellevue, and some will go to the Christo exhibition thereafter.

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Re: Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

Hi Britta!

Nice to see you. I always look for positive things even in bad situations. Maybe here you'll find more interesting people to meet. Perhaps you wouldn't have joined this group if it wasn't for yahoo list bullies.

Have fun tonight,
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Re: Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

Hi Britta,

Welcome to the forum. Please remember to check out the events section of the forum for your events. Also adding an entry to the calendar and linking it back to your event is also an extremely good idea (to avoid having to have me jump onto your thread each time you make an event). Check out the existing events and calendar entries to see what I mean.

If you are publicising your events by email as well, simply put a link to the event in your email - this encourages people who don't know about the forum to check it out, and for the discussion about the event to happen publicly, i.e. for everyone's benefit.

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Old 19.03.2006, 10:43
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Re: Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

Hi Idgie (Britta),

I'm glad you're here! I have been filled in on the situation and it's amazing what kind of idiots are out there. Just when I think it's not possible, I'm flabbergasted yet again.

Keep on keepin' on, Sister! If you get one thing out of all this nastiness, I hope it's that you see there are a few precious gems out there. These are the people who admire what you're doing and share their thanks and their positivity. Collect them and put them in your pocket for the days that you are walking across miles of plain old rocks! It sounds to me like you've also trodden on some shards of glass. them!

I hope that makes sense - I mean well anyway!

Carrie

P.S. I'm not single or over 30.
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Now I'm convinced this is the place to be. The yahoo groups are all run by the same core. It's very refreshing to see stuff like this.
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Re: Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

welcome to live-and-let-live. I think people become myopic when they deal with emails ergo the snide feedback to Britta's efforts.

I did indeed email her directly when I saw this and encouraged her a) to come over here and b) to not give in to the email polizei.

Judgemental and expat seem to go hand-in-hand for many.

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Re: Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

I've just left the group. I anticipate missing erm ......................
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I've just left the group. I anticipate missing erm ......................
I've been on the Expats list for a couple of years now, and I sure have noticed a difference during the past six months or so....In other words the level of rudeness and basic judging of others has greatly increased....I wonder why...hmmm.... It would be interesting to hear from Carmen, who runs the list and is also a member in this forum.... Any thoughts Carmen? Was the forum always this way, or have you also noticed a change recently?

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Re: Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

I've rejoined using an alias and it's still the same.

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Re: Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

Very True Lob.

But it's nothing so new. It has gone through these spates over the years. 'Tis a big pity about the name-calling though. Completely unnecessary.

Though I have to say, some issues (current one about patriotism) will promote sizzles anywhere.

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Re: Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

Guys!

I don’t believe Britta was every chased out of the Expat-In-Zurich group. She made a conscious decision not to post her events as messages after moans and complaints from some members. If I’m not wrong, a yahoo group was created specially for this purpose and is running successfully now – or was that Sarah and not Britta?

This does not mean she (or others) are not allowed to post events. Many members still post events, advertisements etc. Moderators seldom say adverts/events are not allowed. How can a moderator stop members from complaining? By encouraging democracy and freedom of expression, such complaints should be allowed. If everyone agreed to everyone else, how boring would that be?

People always moan and complain – it’s a process of letting out steam. Public Forums are often a safe place to do so because you do not meet people face to face. With a group size of 1040+, there are bound to be arguments, conflict and disagreements. Politics, Religion and taboo topics are always volatile material. If English Forum every reached a 1000+ member state, it would probably see a fair amount of conflict and similar moaning too.

Expats in Zurich has become a very active debating forum. I don’t approve of name-calling myself but if you follow the discussion thread, you might realise that it is often a case of two people (of totally contradictory views) clashing against each other. Here are some figures - in case you want to compare the two.

English Forum Statistics:

279 members
Inactive members – 113 i.e. 40.50% (They have 0 post till date.)
Not so active members – 213 i.e. 76% (4 or less post till date.)


Here are some Yahoo Forum Statistics:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Expats-in-Zurich/ - 1042 members. 4580 messages posted in 2006 alone. 99% cannot be classified as spam IMO!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Expat-Moms-In-Switzerland/ - 599 members. 3977 messages posted in 2006 alone. This one’s my favourite!!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Expats-in-Switzerland/ - 566 members. 712 mails posted in 2006 alone.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Families-in-Zurich/ - 480 members. 1321 messages posted in 2006 alone.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Expats-in-Zurich/message/25719 - Unsure whether this link will work or not but if it does, you’ll get an idea of how successful some of these yahoo groups are.

Let’s not lose perspective when comparing yahoo groups to English Forum. I think English Forum is a well moderated forum but given the number of active members, it definitely offers lesser challenges than some of the existing Expat Yahoo groups.

I am not taking Carmen’s side – I don’t think she needs me (or anyone else) to defend her moderating style. IMHO, she is one of the most simple, modest and humble person I have met so far who encourages and allows freedom of expression. She never brags or boasts about her yahoo groups and she doesn’t need to. Her contributions are appreciated and acknowledged by a lot of Expat Groups, Clubs, Schools and individuals. She does a very good job and earns respect that’s rightfully hers. I am simply putting my own views forward.

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Re: Expats in Zurich...full of Swissies?

I wouldn't call it debating. Debating seems to get the boot too

Personally, I think using email ruins the whole experience; people often don't know how to use Yahoo Groups (and the web interface is woefully crap) - so then object to "spam" about single nights for over 30s (because they're not in that category).

There have also been some attempts at discussing topics I'd not consider overly-sensitive - but because many can't opt-out of those emails, they just complain.

It's a laugh anyway. Fair play to Carmen (who is a very nice person) for making the effort....can't knock her for the responses of some on the list.

As has been highlighted many many times before, using BB software gives the edge to the participant - in the fact that they can CHOOSE what interests them to read and what doesn't.

I certainly would never read a mybluesky advert again, I tell you
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"I certainly would never read a mybluesky advert again, I tell you ..."

This is exactly the kind of reaction Britta probably got from the Expat in Zurich Group - someone complaining about her events as you are complaining about Blue Sky adverts.

Blue Sky probably spends a fortune posting paid adverts. You only need to look at XpatXchange, Swiss News, Hello Zurich and various other Expat publications to realise this. Along with that, most Expat-targeted businesses think the expat yahoo groups are ALSO an effective way of advertising, hence you see adverts.

I know this from my personal experience. I started my own business (much smaller compared to Blue Sky) simply by advertising on various on-line expat groups. Every advert I posted brought me a steady stream of bookings so I know it worked. There will always be someone who does not like something that has been posted by others. What is the focus of these forums - to please everyone?? I don't think so! Most members are adults who can choose/filter what they read based on what they like/dislike.

It's amusing reading you complain about Blue Sky adverts. I remember someone complaining about my Indian Cookery Adverts once - he/she/they (cannot remember who it was!) used exactly the same phrase as you i.e. "I certainly would never read a Indian Cookery Lessons advert now!"

I have since stopped advertising on most forums and attend Expat-Expo, sponsor tombola's, raffles, organise lessons at schools, clubs etc for advertising but I still think the on-line expat groups are good platforms to advertise events, businesses etc - they work even if some members don't like them!!

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my complaints are actually based on a dislike of a certain person going back years. I'd not complain about your adverts to be honest.

Yes, purely personal based upon the behaviour of a certain person.
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tee hee, someone sent this picture as a link...



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