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Buying land upon which to build?

After a long search I finally found a decent building site in LU.

The problem now is getting the appropriate information in terms of what can be built, where, etc.

Got a copy of the Grundbuch - but I have no idea what the various numbers etc. refer to ?

Anybody been through this before ?
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Old 17.01.2007, 08:51
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Re: Buying a Site in CH ?

you should go to the Bauamt (building office) for the town/community. Were you thinking of a Swiss Haus-type project? Do you have an architect for your project?
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Old 17.01.2007, 09:41
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Re: Buying a Site in CH ?

Whether architect or pre-fab, they should be able to deal with all planning issues. Don't part with any money untill you have permission to build in writing....
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Re: Buying land upon which to build?

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whats a grundbuch and where did you get it?
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Re: Buying land upon which to build?

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whats a grundbuch and where did you get it?
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The Grundbuch is the land registry. They're held locally either in the community, town or region office. You sign it when you buy land.

Each plot has a unique number which is then allocated to you.
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Re: Buying land upon which to build?

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What he meant is a copy of the relevant entry in the Grundbuch. Otherwise he would be wandering around with an overly large, very heavy book
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Re: Buying land upon which to build?

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After a long search I finally found a decent building site in LU.

The problem now is getting the appropriate information in terms of what can be built, where, etc.

Got a copy of the Grundbuch - but I have no idea what the various numbers etc. refer to ?

Anybody been through this before ?
The really important numbers are actually a letter and a number ie W2. This refers to the amount of square metres of living space you are allowed to have as a ratio to the size of the plot. So look for something that looks like W2 or W3 or W2-V and then I can tell you what it means. All the rest are sort of not so relevant. Note instead of a W you could also have:
K for central locations
G for business locations
WGw for mixed business/living locations
I for industry
SB for special
Ob for gonner be hard...
O or S or Gr for forget it along with several others such as Ar which mean the same forget it...

Provide the information and someone here will give you the answers...
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Bin there done that - as they say...

Not very informative as u can imagine

Anyway, in the meantime I have moved a step further in understanding the Grundbuch lingo.

The key for me was to understand the Grundlasten - z.L X, z.G. X, etc.

So zulasten von Plot No. and zugunsten von Plot No.

Nothing suspicous there from what I can see.

BTW - mz last post was in response to Lob Rocker

"you should go to the Bauamt (building office) for the town/community. Were you thinking of a Swiss Haus-type project? Do you have an architect for your project?"

Got the W2B - so it means a 2 story house can be built.

However what is not clear is where I could build ?

The grundbuch mentions the Gestaltungs Plan, so I quess I will have to get this as well.

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whats a grundbuch and where did you get it?
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If u go to the Bauamt they will give you an EDV Ausdruck of the grundbuch as long as u can identify the plot number

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you should go to the Bauamt (building office) for the town/community. Were you thinking of a Swiss Haus-type project? Do you have an architect for your project?
No idea of which is the best path to take - the turn-key solutions offerred in CH don't seem too bad, but I remember thinking the same before I built in Ireland.

Currently, I don't know a good Architect ? At least one that speaks English and understands how to deal with the locals.

Any recommendations ?

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Re: Buying land upon which to build?

I think Swiss Haus will provide some services for you. I can't recommend my architect because he doesn't speak English and also is a property developer in his own right.

Maybe someone else has a contact. Also try Swiss Haus - I assume you've signed and paid for the land and have to build within a certain time now?
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Re: Buying land upon which to build?

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I think Swiss Haus will provide some services for you. I can't recommend my architect because he doesn't speak English and also is a property developer in his own right.

Maybe someone else has a contact. Also try Swiss Haus - I assume you've signed and paid for the land and have to build within a certain time now?
Ok will contact them and see what they are prepared to do.

I am only at the start of the process though - i.e. I haven't bought the land yet.
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Re: Buying land upon which to build?

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Currently, I don't know a good Architect ? At least one that speaks English and understands how to deal with the locals.

Any recommendations ?
My architecht speaks very good English, he is however in Winterthur. Might be worth a shot.

Good luck
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Re: Buying land upon which to build?

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The grundbuch mentions the Gestaltungs Plan, so I quess I will have to get this as well.

Having lived through 2+ years of Gestaltungsplan (design restriction) hell , do make absolutely certain that you understand any restrictions this places on your property.

When we bought our house we checked with the Grundbuchamt to determine if any restrictions existed, and got a nice written reply from them assuring us that none did.

Surprise, surprise - In our case the Grundbuch is held by the Korporation (township, more or less), while a Gestaltungsplan for our Quartier (neighborhood) was - unbeknownst to the Grundbuchamt - on file with the Gemeinde Bauamt.

(I still have a big hole in the garden where a Wintergarten is supposed to be...)

So, long story short - there may be more than one authority governing the use of your property.
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Re: Buying land upon which to build?

W2B is the better of the W2 zones. This refers to full floors so things such as cellars don't count and attics only 50% so that is some extra space. The brutto living space is not allowed to exceed 40% of the plot size. ie if you have 600m2 plot then you are not allowed to have more than 240m2 living area. Note also that there are restrictions on the height 12m the distance from the border min 8m the length of one side 25m etc. But you can find this out looking up the W2B zone in your gemeinde
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Re: Buying land upon which to build?

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Having lived through 2+ years of Gestaltungsplan (design restriction) hell , do make absolutely certain that you understand any restrictions this places on your property.

When we bought our house we checked with the Grundbuchamt to determine if any restrictions existed, and got a nice written reply from them assuring us that none did.

Surprise, surprise - In our case the Grundbuch is held by the Korporation (township, more or less), while a Gestaltungsplan for our Quartier (neighborhood) was - unbeknownst to the Grundbuchamt - on file with the Gemeinde Bauamt.

(I still have a big hole in the garden where a Wintergarten is supposed to be...)

So, long story short - there may be more than one authority governing the use of your property.
How strict are they ?

i.e. If there is a tree depicted in the Gestaltungsplan ?
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Re: Buying land upon which to build?

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i.e. If there is a tree depicted in the Gestaltungsplan ?
Sorry to be so late in replying...

A Gestaltungsplan is generally found in a neighborhood built as a development. But you might find zoning restrictions in any neighborhood.

'How strict?' depends on the individual plan. Some simply define the maximum height and/or measurements of a building, some the style of building, some require your curtains to be a specific color and length.

In our case, we are limited to the original footprint and outline of the house - i.e., we cannot add to or change the exterior without specific permission. We can only change exterior colors if everyone in the neghborhood agrees to it.

To gain permission to build a Wintergarten, we had to have the neighbors living in the Quartier governed by the plan vote to allow us to seek a change to the plan (which they did).

So we submitted a request to our Gemeindebauamt, who turned our plan down. (Although they did issue a permit for our neighbor's almost identical plan. )

In addition to any neighborhood Gestaltungspläne, most cantons have rules regulating use of the property, for instance, defining the minimal distance required between buildings and the property line. Additional things might be regulated - for instance, we back onto a farm, so the canton defines the last 10 meters of our property as green zone, where we may not build any permanent structures. Or, I believe, use certain kinds of pest/weed control.

Height and planting of trees (and fences, and generally things which would obstruct someone's view) are generally governed at the cantonal level by Nachtbarrecht (neighbor's rights). A good discussion of restrictions/rights can be found here:

http://www.hausinfo.ch/home/de/recht...efinition.html
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Has anyone here built a house in Zurich?

Hi everyone

I'd like to buy a house here but there is nothing out there so wondered if its possible to build a new one? Does anyone know anything about doing this - I know I have to find land - how much should you expect to pay to have a house built? How long does it take etc etc etc

Thanks in advance

Sharon
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Re: Has anyone here built a house in Zurich?

Land in France is reasonable, have you tried here:

http://www.green-acres.com/
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Re: Buying land upon which to build?

Hi-
well re price- how long is a piece of string?
Over near Lake Geneva , in Grandvaux ,a plot might cost over CHF 1 million, however a little further away from the lake land is still available for around CHF 100/m2. So as they say its all down to location.. Check out www.homegate.ch or www.comparis.ch for prices and availability. Building well that also depends on location as parts of valais are coming to a standstill I believe, however one of my friends had a beautiful chalet built ( on the land at CHF100/m2) and I think it took about a 8 mths-a year in total. She did have an architect managing it. There are loads of older properties around going relatively cheap if you are into restoring. In the Lac Leman hinterland you can pick up an old farm with a decent bit of land for CHF500,000- CHF 750,000- would need lots of work done.
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Re: Has anyone here built a house in Zurich?

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Hi everyone

I'd like to buy a house here but there is nothing out there so wondered if its possible to build a new one? Does anyone know anything about doing this - I know I have to find land - how much should you expect to pay to have a house built? How long does it take etc etc etc

Thanks in advance

Sharon
If we are talking purely building costs, disregarding price of land, it all depends on what kind of house you want and the materials that you use.

A general number is 700 - 800 CHF/m3 for a good-quality house. Here the calculation is always in cubic meters according to SIA rules (engineers and architects society),

It is important to know the type of land. If it is a solid rock, it is expensive to dig into it. If there is no rock at all and lots of ground water (like around lake Geneva), it may be expensive to make supports if the house is on steep slope.

All excavation works are generally expensive, so if you can settle for a smaller basement, it will be cheaper.

The rest is in your choice of finishing - parquet or laminate, stone or tiles, choice of sanitary installations, etc. etc.

Prefab is not necessarily cheaper, but you end up with standard S&%+T, IMHO. You can have an individual approach, with respect of the surroundings and wishes of the client, at the same or nearly the same price as pre-fab. Unfortunately, not too many architects bother to think, but I assure you, it exist!

Would be happy to answer any further building-related questions.

Linda
Arco Ligne Architecture SA
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