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Heard anything about wallisellen's international school?

Hi, I'm new to this forum and to Zurich. I'm looking for an international school to send my kids to. They're all quite expensive but my kids only know English at the moment so I'm shopping and asking around about the international schools in the area.
I've come across some talk about problems at the Swiss International School next to Glattzentrum. It's been suggested that there's quite an exodus of teachers leaving lately because of problems with management and that the school sells itself as being more than it really is. For instance it's website says there are many open teaching jobs because of "an increase in enrolments" but I've heard that they are not new positions at all.
I know you can never trust all rumours and assume to know about the inner workings of an organisation, but am curious if anyone's heard of the staff and parent unhappiness that I've encountered in my recent 'shopping'.
Cheers, John
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Re: True that lots of teachers are leaving Swiss International School?

Hi John!

I don't know anything about the rumours you have mentioned. If you are looking for an International School, here's a really useful website that lists most schools (Public & Private) and gives a very good overview of the Education System here. We found it very useful when deciding where to send our 4 year old.

http://www.zurich-relocation.ch/

Click on the Education & School button on the left. Hope this helps.

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Thanks very much, Nina.
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Old 11.04.2006, 19:44
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Hi John,

How old are your kids? Have you considered sending them to Swiss school? They will get free additional German lessons for at least 2 years and it's a no cost solution.

We sent our two 10 year-olds to the local Swiss school and they now speak German, Swiss German, and are getting on well at French. It was a bit scary dropping them in the deep end but now we feel we've done them a big favour.
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Re: Heard anything about wallisellen's international school?

Hiya John, if you put Circle of schools into google you'll come up with all the options available.

I've known kids of various ages start swiss school and been fluent and caught up within six months.

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Wow, those kids must have been very gifted in languages. I don`t know any children who have picked up Swiss German and High German in less then a year and even then it`s not fluent or accentless. It`s true some children learn languages effortlessly but many do not.

Can you tell this is a sorepoint!
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Ours were struggling after 6 months - the breakthrough came at around a year and then the next 12 months it was leaps and bounds. When the kids started correcting their mum's German we knew we were on a winner.

The point about kids learning langauges at different rates and in different ways is valid - the head of ICSZ gave us a summary of some research from a conference he'd attended just before wqe placed our 14 year old there. I haven't got all the facts or references but the overview is:

There is a part of the brain responsible for the mother tongue and another part for acquired language. Although there is no abosulute fixed age it appears the part that is responsible for mother tongue becomes "fixed" at around 13 years. Before that it is possible to speak a language like it is the mother tongue, after that it becomes progessively more difficult. Languages learned after 13 are acquired languages and although you can become very good it will never be as good as the mother tongue.

In some children that part of the brain that looks after mother tongue is more flexible than others so some children may find swapping language difficult at an earlier age.

The other very big point is that children who have a parent at home who can speak the new langauge are much faster at developing in the new one - this is true across the age groups and I guess it's pretty obvious.
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Re: Heard anything about wallisellen's international school?

Hiya Whyamihere
I was also amazed at the kids who learnt so fast, when i said caught up they were in the classes normal for their age and communicating with the other kids without problems after 6 months. At the time i thought it may have something to do with them starting their education much earlier than the swiss kids. They'd started reading and writing at 5 in England where as the swiss kids start at seven. They where 7 and 9.

I speak fluent Swiss-german but i still have a slight English accent, could be that my interpretation of fluent differs from others. I teach early english through play and the kids never fail to amaze me, i wish such easy communication didn't dissapear with age.
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Re: Heard anything about wallisellen's international school?

Hi Oldhand

It`s not the Swiss German that`s the problem but High German. I thought my children were reasonably fluent in both until the decision on where they would go for Secondary School. We then discovered, rather too late, that they still didn`t have enough depth of vocabulary and understanding of grammar in their High German. If a child goes through the Swiss system here their German needs to be as good as a first language. Perhaps it`s better for the children who arrive later as they learn High German first.
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Hi Oldhand

It`s not the Swiss German that`s the problem but High German. I thought my children were reasonably fluent in both until the decision on where they would go for Secondary School. We then discovered, rather too late, that they still didn`t have enough depth of vocabulary and understanding of grammar in their High German. If a child goes through the Swiss system here their German needs to be as good as a first language. Perhaps it`s better for the children who arrive later as they learn High German first.
But then the kids learn high german, but they have Swiss German in the classroom (which technically is not supposed to happen), so it must be very hard for those kids - especially since their ability to pick up a language, while still good, declines with age.

Tell your kids not to worry - there's quite a few natives around here that don't have enough depth of vocabulary and understanding of grammar in their high German.... and by natives I mean adults who were born here... Ask any German what they think about this and they'll probably start chuckling.

I had someone tell me once that many errors have been pointed out in the high german textbooks used to teach kids (swiss kids) German. Apparently these errors remain because this is the way kids were always taught German, so it's a kind of officially swiss-ified high german. Sorry I know my capital letters are inconsistant in this message, I'm just too tired to do capitals today...
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Re: Heard anything about wallisellen's international school?

Mark, thanks for your positive note! It`s not all bad - my kids have definitely gained in other ways for living here but I get a bit overheated when I hear "children pick up languages like sponges" and "it all evens out in the end", particularly as I used to believe this too!
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Re: Heard anything about wallisellen's international school?

My son goes to International school since 2 years and we are very happy with the education , teachers and the atmosphere at the school.
Teachers are very dedicated. Many of my friends kids are also in Wallisellen international school and they are happy.
The enrollment had definately gone up.

Some teachers have quit...in the recent past, finding a new job could be various reasons. many have decided to move to home country. Typlical reason a Expat would answer.


On May 2nd, 2006, the International Baccalaureate Organisation (IBO) has authorized Swiss International School to offer the Primary Years Programme as a fully accredited "IB World School".

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Re: Heard anything about wallisellen's international school?

I get off at Wallisellen station each day and I have to say that they seem to be nicest/happiest schoolkids I have ever seen going to that place.

Unlike the start of my journey at Hardplatz, where the mid-highschool kids seem like street urchins, hanging around having their first smoke/joint of the day.
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Re: Heard anything about wallisellen's international school?

I can provide number of increase in enrollments.
last year it was 90 +

this year it's 106 + ....
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Hi, I'm new to this forum and to Zurich. I'm looking for an international school to send my kids to. They're all quite expensive but my kids only know English at the moment so I'm shopping and asking around about the international schools in the area.
I've come across some talk about problems at the Swiss International School next to Glattzentrum. It's been suggested that there's quite an exodus of teachers leaving lately because of problems with management and that the school sells itself as being more than it really is. For instance it's website says there are many open teaching jobs because of "an increase in enrolments" but I've heard that they are not new positions at all.
I know you can never trust all rumours and assume to know about the inner workings of an organisation, but am curious if anyone's heard of the staff and parent unhappiness that I've encountered in my recent 'shopping'.
Cheers, John
My son goes to International school since 2 years and we are very happy with the education , teachers and the atmosphere at the school.
Teachers are very dedicated. Many of my friends kids are also in Wallisellen international school and they are happy.
The enrollment had definately gone up.

Some teachers have quit...in the recent past, finding a new job could be various reasons. many have decided to move to home country. Typlical reason a Expat would answer.


On May 2nd, 2006, the International Baccalaureate Organisation (IBO) has authorized Swiss International School to offer the Primary Years Programme as a fully accredited "IB World School".
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Re: Heard anything about wallisellen's international school?

Hello reviving this thread, just to find out opinions of SIS, especially if it is truly bilingual and how's the level of german?
Any thoughts?
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Re: Heard anything about wallisellen's international school?

I would be interested in hearing an update too. Anyone have recent experiences they can share? Thank you.
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