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As do atheists, perverts (NAMBLA), gun owners, libertarians, homosexuals...et al. Is this not called democracy? I dont know which one you grew up in, but in that one you have to get off your a** and lobby for lawmakers to get results that you wish. When you have 50 different states, each with their own agenda, nothing would get done if people just waited for government to do what they want.....

Not to mention that for virtually everyone of these hard core Christians, there is an 'American Civil Liberties Union' (ACLU) Lawyer working at a low wage to supress them.
I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, spent most of my adult life spent in America just outside NYC.

Since I was a kid, I've seen far more conservative (which often correlates to religious) values being made into law - or threatened strongly to be. Examples: right to abortion, overturning same sex marriages, etc. etc. etc.
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Since I was a kid, I've seen far more conservative (which often correlates to religious) values being made into law - or threatened strongly to be. Examples: right to abortion, overturning same sex marriages, etc. etc. etc.

The laws were put into effect democratically, no?
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PRO's

-Cheap.
-Hot women.
-Big food portions.
Surely you jest....
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Surely you jest....
Don't know about California, but Texas women are great looking,
outgoing, and friendly.
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Don't know about California, but Texas women are great looking,
outgoing, and friendly.

We get the cream of the crop in Southern California. We have a bit too many. And then there are those who keep coming on Greyhound buses. They come from Smalltown, USA in search of the limelight.
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Don't know about California, but Texas women are great looking,
outgoing, and friendly.

They are a bit chunky in Texas, aren't they?
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They are a bit chunky in Texas, aren't they?
If you try picking them up at the buffet, then yes.
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Recommended for those who feel that today's private health insurance in the US is a good system.
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I do like how the beauties are cornfed in Texas. But its on our beaches, in bikinis, where they really get cut.
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To be honest, Las Vegas has drawn out a lot of the beautiful women to itself.
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Old 15.04.2009, 23:18
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in comparison with Switzerland. Can someone list?
(I’m more interested to know about life of academic people in USA vs Switzerland)
And is it worth to move from Switzerland to USA for someone who has opportunity to live in one of these countries?
I have let this thread go on for four pages before chiming in.

To the OP, you cannot compare Switzerland to "America". There are just too many facets of "America".

I have lived in America all of my life. I was born in Boise, Idaho. I moved to California when I was a toddler. I have lived in and gone to school in both southern and northern California. I did a stint in the state of Washington. I went to school in and lived in a small coal-mining town in Pennsylvania. I graduated from High School in Wilmington, Delaware. I graduated from college in southern California. I lived in, and still own four houses in South Carolina. My 3 children were born in 2 different states. My husband of 24 years has lived in NY, Illinois, Texas, California and three other states.

America is a wonderful place and you will not regret any time spent there. There is a huge tendency of other countries to "bash" America. Well, let me be the first to say that it is not such a bad place. Yes, every region has its' negatives, but you will quickly become enamored of its' overwhelming positives.

The good: The people are friendly. They are like puppies. For the most part, they are completely and totally unaware that people from other countries actually think they are a**holes. They think they are the bomb. They will usually smile at you and think your accent is charming. They will engage you in conversation (in English, because they don't know any other languages) and will be genuinely interested in why you are visiting their country.

The stores: Whatever you want, whenever you want, is literally available to you 24 hours a day. Some of you may pooh-pooh that fact, but when you need a HD cable or a spark plug at 3 a.m. to watch whatever you want to watch on your satellite TV in your own time zone or fix your car that has broken down in between Dallas and El Paso, you will learn to bow to the God of Wal-Mart. Likewise, if you are in your sweatpants and sweatshirt in the middle of a painting project and get hungry at 3:30 in the afternoon and don't have anything in the frig, you will soon learn to love the concept of "snacks on demand of any variety" available in at least one dozen places within 1/10 of a mile from your doorstep.

The regions: These have been covered to a degree, but it cannot be emphasized enough, the differences between them. If you are a liberal, i.e. if you think Barack Obama walks on water and cannot wait for the socialization of America, you need to stick to one of the coasts. California, Oregon, NY, NJ, etc. If you have no money, you need to stick to one of the coasts where they are much more accepting of immigrants and charity cases.

If you are a conservative, you need to hang out in the middle of the country or the southeast where people still believe that hard work and clean, moral living gets you ahead in life. This is not to say that there are not people along the coasts that believe in a work ethic and the spirit of capitalism, there are, but they are in the minority. Also, there are plenty of people in the "heartland" and the "bible belt" who are not religious and who believe in gay marriage. There are. This is where this whole thread lost me from the get-go. America is America because all of these people live right next door to one another. Yes, we all disagree with one another. Yes, we all believe in different things.

But, we are all Americans, first and foremost. We are not a nation of tribes. We are not a nation of sects. We are a very diversified people who all come together as patriots when it is necessary and, yet, we agree to disagree when it can be useful to generate a number of ideas to move our country forward.

People who are not American by birth sometimes have a hard time wrapping their minds around the whole idea of America and what it encompasses. We do understand that others may perceive us as naiive. However, those of us who are native eventually get sick and tired of others continuously denigrating our values and ideals as headstrong, ill-informed and ignorant. We didn't become the greatest superpower on earth by being stupid and yet, more and more, we have been caught sitting idly by while others trash our country for just those foibles and more.

Well, I am an American, and yes, my country has alot of problems and negatives, but I am glad I was born there and will defend her until my dying breath. I understand that patriotism is an ugly word in Europe and elsewhere and I certainly don't advertise the fact that I am an American while I am over here, but nevertheless, four pages of bashing was about all that I could take. And why is it that no other countries ever get the flak that we constantly get?
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Old 15.04.2009, 23:29
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Re: Pros and Cons of living in the USA

In reality the American 'bashing' was pretty tame in this thread compared to others threads I have seen in the past. it was far from the piling on I have seen before.....
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Old 15.04.2009, 23:34
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I have let this thread go on for four pages before chiming in.

To the OP, you cannot compare Switzerland to "America". There are just too many facets of "America".

I have lived in America all of my life. I was born in Boise, Idaho. I moved to California when I was a toddler. I have lived in and gone to school in both southern and northern California. I did a stint in the state of Washington. I went to school in and lived in a small coal-mining town in Pennsylvania. I graduated from High School in Wilmington, Delaware. I graduated from college in southern California. I lived in, and still own four houses in South Carolina. My 3 children were born in 2 different states. My husband of 24 years has lived in NY, Illinois, Texas, California and three other states.

America is a wonderful place and you will not regret any time spent there. There is a huge tendency of other countries to "bash" America. Well, let me be the first to say that it is not such a bad place. Yes, every region has its' negatives, but you will quickly become enamored of its' overwhelming positives.

The good: The people are friendly. They are like puppies. For the most part, they are completely and totally unaware that people from other countries actually think they are a**holes. They think they are the bomb. They will usually smile at you and think your accent is charming. They will engage you in conversation (in English, because they don't know any other languages) and will be genuinely interested in why you are visiting their country.

The stores: Whatever you want, whenever you want, is literally available to you 24 hours a day. Some of you may pooh-pooh that fact, but when you need a HD cable or a spark plug at 3 a.m. to watch whatever you want to watch on your satellite TV in your own time zone or fix your car that has broken down in between Dallas and El Paso, you will learn to bow to the God of Wal-Mart. Likewise, if you are in your sweatpants and sweatshirt in the middle of a painting project and get hungry at 3:30 in the afternoon and don't have anything in the frig, you will soon learn to love the concept of "snacks on demand of any variety" available in at least one dozen places within 1/10 of a mile from your doorstep.

The regions: These have been covered to a degree, but it cannot be emphasized enough, the differences between them. If you are a liberal, i.e. if you think Barack Obama walks on water and cannot wait for the socialization of America, you need to stick to one of the coasts. California, Oregon, NY, NJ, etc. If you have no money, you need to stick to one of the coasts where they are much more accepting of immigrants and charity cases.

If you are a conservative, you need to hang out in the middle of the country or the southeast where people still believe that hard work and clean, moral living gets you ahead in life. This is not to say that there are not people along the coasts that believe in a work ethic and the spirit of capitalism, there are, but they are in the minority. Also, there are plenty of people in the "heartland" and the "bible belt" who are not religious and who believe in gay marriage. There are. This is where this whole thread lost me from the get-go. America is America because all of these people live right next door to one another. Yes, we all disagree with one another. Yes, we all believe in different things.

But, we are all Americans, first and foremost. We are not a nation of tribes. We are not a nation of sects. We are a very diversified people who all come together as patriots when it is necessary and, yet, we agree to disagree when it can be useful to generate a number of ideas to move our country forward.

People who are not American by birth sometimes have a hard time wrapping their minds around the whole idea of America and what it encompasses. We do understand that others may perceive us as naiive. However, those of us who are native eventually get sick and tired of others continuously denigrating our values and ideals as headstrong, ill-informed and ignorant. We didn't become the greatest superpower on earth by being stupid and yet, more and more, we have been caught sitting idly by while others trash our country for just those foibles and more.

Well, I am an American, and yes, my country has alot of problems and negatives, but I am glad I was born there and will defend her until my dying breath. I understand that patriotism is an ugly word in Europe and elsewhere and I certainly don't advertise the fact that I am an American while I am over here, but nevertheless, four pages of bashing was about all that I could take. And why is it that no other countries ever get the flak that we constantly get?
AND ??Good whietwash !!I never trashed the USof A !! Where is the pro and con .of the USof A and Switzerland ???
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The laws were put into effect democratically, no?
Depends on your definition. That could open up a whole can of worms - Diebold and election stealing, anyone?

Regardless, that isn't the point - democratic or not. We were discussing attitudes, and that's really what I don't like. The conservative/christian (again, they do tend to - but aren't always - hand in hand) attitude there is the point. Making laws for some which aren't for all. Sort of like islamic laws which are for the religious and not for the non-religious, but apply to all.
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If you try picking them up at the buffet, then yes.
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People who are not American by birth sometimes have a hard time wrapping their minds around the whole idea of America and what it encompasses. We do understand that others may perceive us as naiive. However, those of us who are native eventually get sick and tired of others continuously denigrating our values and ideals as headstrong, ill-informed and ignorant. We didn't become the greatest superpower on earth by being stupid and yet, more and more, we have been caught sitting idly by while others trash our country for just those foibles and more.

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And some of us Americans by birth have a hard time wrapping our heads around the whole idea of America and what it encompasses. Or what it seems to / wants to encompass.

One of the most common questions asked of me when I've gone back to the US to visit is how is my Swedish. Or the "do they have XXXX there?" where XXXX is a rather common normal item.
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And some of us Americans by birth have a hard time wrapping our heads around the whole idea of America and what it encompasses. Or what it seems to / wants to encompass.

One of the most common questions asked of me when I've gone back to the US to visit is how is my Swedish. Or the "do they have XXXX there?" where XXXX is a rather common normal item.
umm, to be honest, coming from a small great plains state, I have been Asked by many a USAer, where that is? Do you have flush toilets there? Are there alot of Indians?

So, the ignorance is not just of other countries.
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In reality the American 'bashing' was pretty tame in this thread compared to others threads I have seen in the past.
That's because George W. Bush is no longer president, and we've since got over the flag waving phase.


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But, we are all Americans, first and foremost. We are not a nation of tribes. We are not a nation of sects. We are a very diversified people who all come together as patriots when it is necessary and, yet, we agree to disagree when it can be useful to generate a number of ideas to move our country forward.
That's a good post I mostly agree with. But as for a particular American identity, I no longer believe there is a singular one. There were symbolic or iconic identities that are driven by the media; such as the nuclear family, Beaver Cleaver, Opie Taylor or Richie Cunningham. But I think we've outgrown those now.

We do have tribes. It's reflected in our politics. Its often along ethnic lines, but not always. Americans are Italians in the mafia, Irish in Boston, Germans in Kentucky, Jews in New York, blacks in ghettos, Chinese in Chinatown, etc., etc. Some are formed ad-hoc. Some are street gangs. We're not all Scott-Irish living in the Mid-West.

Those tribes serve very important functions. Our governments don't look after communities. We look after our own. Some of the saddest sights I've seen in American are people who have cut themselves off from their tribes. While they are flying high when things were going their way, America is a cold hard place when you are landing and there is no safety net to catch you.
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We were discussing attitudes, and that's really what I don't like. The conservative/christian (again, they do tend to - but aren't always - hand in hand) attitude there is the point. Making laws for some which aren't for all. Sort of like islamic laws which are for the religious and not for the non-religious, but apply to all.

Well, what can you do? In a democracy, there will be things that won't go your way. They are probably just as freaked out about you as you are about them. We have this thing called "the democratic process". Those who learn to play it best seem to get the best out of it.
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That's because George W. Bush is no longer president, and we've since got over the flag waving phase.




That's a good post I mostly agree with. But as for a particular American identity, I no longer believe there is a singular one. There were symbolic or iconic identities that are driven by the media; such as the nuclear family, Beaver Cleaver, Opie Taylor or Richie Cunningham. But I think we've outgrown those now.

We do have tribes. It's reflected in our politics. Its often along ethnic lines, but not always. Americans are Italians in the mafia, Irish in Boston, Germans in Kentucky, Jews in New York, blacks in ghettos, Chinese in Chinatown, etc., etc. Some are formed ad-hoc. Some are street gangs. We're not all Scott-Irish living in the Mid-West.

Those tribes serve very important functions. Our governments don't look after communities. We look after our own. Some of the saddest sights I've seen in American are people who have cut themselves off from their tribes. While they are flying high when things were going their way, America is a cold hard place when you are landing and there is no safety net to catch you.
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