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Old 01.06.2006, 12:33
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Re: Looking for a printer

Thanks Mark

I'll give them a call

DL is a very popular of envelopes, maybe its a UK thing? Its a very popular size for leaflets in the UK, I have definitely seen lots of DL leaflets here in the tourise info places etc... its a really handy useful size as you can get 6 pages from an A4 landscape sheet folded and is just generally nicer than A4 folded to A5 which can be a bit dull. A lot of clients like it as most clients use DL envelopes on a daily basis rather than C5 envlelopes.

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Old 01.06.2006, 12:40
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Re: Looking for a printer

Ah - A4 folded twice - why didn't you just say so

This product is called "ZickZack" flyer at maxiprint. Hint: flyers which are folded are called "falzflyer" (see - falz is pretty close to fold).

http://www.maxiprint.ch/product_info..._id=1705530464

There's also the "wickel" version (nappy). This is just the direction of the final fold. Zick zack folds out like a Z, wickel folds out like a U.
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Re: Looking for a printer

Just checked a packet of envelopes in my drawer. The envelopes you describe as DL are labeled C5/6. I guess that paper that goes into them A5/6 which matches up with the description of the zickzack flyer perfectly!

At first I thought it meant either A5 or A6, but A5/6 must be a special size in itself. It's all very logical Gotta love those ISO paper sizes. I don't know how the Americans cope with all their sizes.
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Re: Looking for a printer

Excellent they do do it then, trouble is mine is only a 4page DL 198mm x 210mm folded

Going to call them anyway to see if they can do the leaflets and also the appointment cards which don't fold out landscape, I can esaily change the design for this though to fit if needs be

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Old 01.06.2006, 12:57
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Just checked a packet of envelopes in my drawer. The envelopes you describe as DL are labeled C5/6. I guess that paper that goes into them A5/6 which matches up with the description of the zickzack flyer perfectly!

At first I thought it meant either A5 or A6, but A5/6 must be a special size in itself. It's all very logical Gotta love those ISO paper sizes. I don't know how the Americans cope with all their sizes.
No C5 fits A5, C6 fits A6 C4 fits A4 etc... DL is 110 x 210 a standard name for that size envelope and it fits A4 folded twice which is 99 x 210

see link http://www.simplyenvelopes.co.uk/aca...lopeTypes.html

The graphic on the link you sent showing the zickzack leaflet looks wrong, it looks like a 6pp A6 or A5 leaflet but the size written is correct it says flat size 210 x 297 so its a bit confusing

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Old 01.06.2006, 13:01
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Re: Looking for a printer

Hmmm, in that case it's essentially like the 6 page version - you just need an extra cut. Maybe they could arrange that for an extra fee and throw away the other paper. Or maybe you could print something on the bit that gets cut off and get a little bonus - 2 flyers!

I did a bit of investigating into this DL business. It's called DIN Long or DIN Lang. Technically this would be the paper size, not the envelope size, but it seems that in the UK they use DL to refer to the envelope and curiously call the paper size "Compliment slip". Bless them - metric is still a bit new to them . Here's something I found on a UK website:

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The most common envelope sizes are; C4, C5, C6 and DL and these correspond with the most common stationery sizes which are A4, A5, A6 and compliment slip size.
Here's an example of DIN Long on a real live website:

http://www.flyerking.ch/index.php?cPath=22_33_37

So I guess the easiest way to think about it is what you know as DL = C5/6, and what you know as compliment slip is actually DL(Din Long) = A5/6. But then you seem to be interchaning DL to mean both the envelope and the paper size as far as I can understand. Oh well - at least we aren't talking about sizes in inches and paper weight in pounds
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Old 01.06.2006, 13:09
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Re: Looking for a printer

Ah got to the bottom of the mystery. There is officially C5/6 and also DL - they are almost the same, but a few milimeters different. Both sizes will take an A4 page folded twice. Here's what I found:

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The DL format is the most widely used business letter format. DL probably originally stood for “DIN lang” historically, but ISO 269 now explains this abbreviation more diplomatically as “Dimension Lengthwise” instead. Its size falls somewhat out of the system and equipment manufacturers have complained that it is slightly too small for reliable automatic enveloping. Therefore, DIN 678 introduced the C6/C5 format as an alternative for the DL envelope.
This comes from http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-paper.html (scroll down to "Envelope Formats" where the sizes for DL and C5/6 are listed separately.

Was starting to get puzzled there for while
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Old 01.06.2006, 13:10
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Re: Looking for a printer

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So I guess the easiest way to think about it is what you know as DL = C5/6, and what you know as compliment slip is actually DL(Din Long) = A5/6. But then you seem to be interchaning DL to mean both the envelope and the paper size as far as I can understand. Oh well - at least we aren't talking about sizes in inches and paper weight in pounds
Basically a compliment slip is 210 x 99 3rd A4, a DL envelope fits this, it may be diff in other countries, don't really know why you say 'bless' its just the way it is in the UK and its the way I've always worked and everyone works to in the UK, never been any reason to look at it differently. but C5/C6 isn't DL it fits A5 or A6 paper, I assume you are aware of B sizes? well a C5 envelope for example is an oversize A5 to fit A5, like a B3 print press fits oversize A3 sheets so you can print full A3 bleed, its similar with envelopes, C4 fits A4 and so on and so on

All envelopes sized 110 x 210 are called DL in the UK as they fit a DL sheet, i.e comp slip size

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Old 01.06.2006, 13:16
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Re: Looking for a printer

see this is where its confusing, never heard DL been called C6 nad as you can see by the envelope chart at the bottom C6 fits A6

they are calling DL C6/C5 which is odd in muy opinion, its obviously the metric system but never caught on in the UK, all envelopes that fit a 3rd A4 are called DL and are lavled DL and all printers in the UK know what a DL 6pp leaflet is, just the wonderful differences of countries and I'll be sticking with my way, I'm a typical stubbord set in my ways northerner and proud of it :-)

phew never knew envlelopes could create such a discussion, I notice we bored everyone else as no one has stepped in to comment :-)

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Re: Looking for a printer

C5/6 doesn't fit A5 or A6 paper - it's a totally different size in it's own right. The correct envelope (as you said easier) for A5 or A6 would be C5 or C6, not C5/6. I have a packet of C5/6 right in front of me now and it labeled 229mm x 114mm. So both DL and C5/6 will accomodate an A4 page folded twice, but one is slightly larger (and therefore easier for a machine to fill) than the other.

I think our replies probably came a bit of sync, I probably posted the previous info while you were busy writing the reply - happens sometimes.
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Re: Looking for a printer

This is where gooner steps in and says:

envelopespotting

I know next time you are in Migros you'll be casting an eagle eye over the envelopes

If printers are using DL to refer to a papersize that would technically be incorrect (even for the UK) since they are describing a paper size with an envelope size. If they were to say "complement slip" then that would be technically correct in their own terminology. Of course nobody outside the UK would understand "complement slip" and they would have to say "Din Lang" which might get confused with DL (the envelope size originally intended to fit Din Lang), and then everybody goes around in circles again. Maybe we should just stick to millimeters and then everybody is happy
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Old 01.06.2006, 13:30
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If printers are using DL to refer to a papersize that would technically be incorrect (even for the UK) since they are describing a paper size with an envelope size. If they were to say "complement slip" then that would be technically correct in their own terminology. Of course nobody outside the UK would understand "complement slip" and they would have to say "Din Lang" which might get confused with DL (the envelope size originally intended to fit Din Lang), and then everybody goes around in circles again. Maybe we should just stick to millimeters and then everybody is happy
It may be incorrect if you get anal about it but in the Uk its just the way it is, everyone knows what it means, its a term which has evolved and therefore works in the UK, i agree outside the UK it gets confusing like lots of things confuse me being here but it wont change to accomodate me unfortunately :-(

No one calls that paper size compliment size its DL a compliment slip is usually DL, no point annalysing it its just the way it is :-) like american using letter size paper (which created a huge row on the expats in zurich forum when someone said it was rubbish and they should use A4, very amusing) so on that note i will still be buying DL envelopes and refering to 3rd A4 as DL :-) and an A4 folded twice leaflet as a 6pp DL consertina or gate fold leaflet - tis what I know !!

Although may not be able to buy DL envelopes here after all!

What can we discuss next? envelopes are boting me now

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Old 01.06.2006, 13:32
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Old 01.06.2006, 13:35
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Re: Looking for a printer

Well no, you probably can't buy a DL envelope here - but next time you are the shops buy a C5/6 and fold your A4 page twice - hey presto - it will still work, and you'll even have a bit more space to wriggle in the page

Something else discuss - well now you've done 25 posts (mostly about envelopes) I think it is time for you to give yourself an avatar, especially to avoid being mistaken for Nickj.

I would have loved to see someone getting trashed for wanting to use Letter paper instead of A4
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oops meant to say boring!
That's ok - I don't proof read my posts either, that's why half the time they are unintelligible

Hint - just go back and use the edit button to clean up typos etc. Saves the effort of a new post.
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Old 01.06.2006, 13:39
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Something else discuss - well now you've done 25 posts (mostly about envelopes) I think it is time for you to give yourself an avatar, especially to avoid being mistaken for Nickj.
hmm seem to recall a 2 way conversation on envelopes here?? not just me sending 25 posts on the subject surely? i seem to recall I didn't get all technical on the terms but just defended our little countries idiosyncrasies 'bless us'

Anyway whats an avatar?

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hmm seem to recall a 2 way conversation on envelopes here?? not just me sending 25 posts on the subject surely? i seem to recall I didn't get all technical on the terms but just defended our little countries idiosyncrasies 'bless us'

Anyway whats an avatar?

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That was just a joke - yes we both made 25 posts about envelopes, I wasn't singling you out.

Avatar (prepare to roll eyes). Hit the FAQ link above - put in "avatar", press search FAQ. All will be revealed.

My avatar is that picture of a fat cat. Having a picture attached to a name makes it easier to spot the regular posters.

How about:


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Old 01.06.2006, 13:59
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yeah yeah hilarious!

I aint being defined as an envelope!! :-)

i'll have a think about the pic

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Re: Looking for a printer

Came to this very late I know but I've recently been looking for a printer and found this company near Zurich www.hellerdruck.ch For a full colour litho job his quote is 25% cheaper than my cheapest UK printer, and he speaks English
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how are these people compared to maxiprint?
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