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I desperately need to find a printers here in Zurich that speaks English as I don't speak a word of german, can anyone help?

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Re: Looking for a printer

Hi Nicky,

You mean an offset printer? I'm not sure about English, but I have been using www.maxiprint.ch. I've been happy with their service and everything is done online, so you (hopefully!) don't have to speak with them. Their prices are good and their service quite quick.

Of course this type of printer is good for standard jobs, but if you have special requirements for your job, it is a whole different story... Tell me a bit more about what you need, maybe I can help out further, or ask around.
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Old 30.05.2006, 20:09
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Re: Looking for a printer

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I orginally needed litho and digital but as the job is so small (200 Bus cards and 100 appointment cards) the quotes I was getting were a bit steep for the client so think we have decided on going digital, I have had my printer in the UK quote for me and he could do it but we're justy a bit concerned about import taxes, we were thinking of sending it as a gift? not sure about this though, would need to look into it.

I have had a look at that website but unfortunately i don't speak ANY german (shameful I know!) what sort of prices would an 85mm x 35mm 3/1 double sided business cards (3 spot colours) cost with them? assuming they are litho? if not then it will be printed in process digital.

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Re: Looking for a printer

Hi Nicky, I know you don't speak any German, but even so it shouldn't be too hard to see their offer - Visitenkarte is business card. Terms like CMYK and 4/4 probably don't need translation. Here's a link directly to the product you probably want:

http://www.maxiprint.ch/product_info..._id=1705530438

By the time you add postage and tax it comes to just over CHF100, which I think it pretty competitive for a 4/4 on 300gram stock. Last time I ordered 250 they gave me 400. If you submit the data by Monday morning you'll probably have it on a Wednesday, they ship it to you direct by next day post. They also take credit card online. Oh, they don't do anything less than 4/4, except for 4/0, but that is about 20% cheaper.

If it has to be spot colours then you are out of luck, I doubt you'd find anyone who would be happy to do 200 cards with spot colours. In that case you'd have to go digital, but you won't get spots there either Hopefully you can find a close CMYK combination for your spots, I guess you know what to do
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Re: Looking for a printer

Just forgot to answer one point about the taxes if you had it done in the UK. If it gets sent directly to someone has a gift they will still have to pay the tax. The tax will be 10 francs + the value (including shipping charge) of the goods. They will have to pay the postman at the door. If your printer is nice he'll take off the UK vat, otherwise you'll end up paying both UK vat and CH vat.

I'm guessing that the UK option will cost a lot more and take longer due to shipping delays.

I just noticed that the delivery date (which changes in realtime on the website) now says Friday. That means if you submitted your artwork before tomorrow morning the job would be finished on Friday.

Oh standard business card size here is usually around 85x55, I think you meant 55 when you said 35 :-)
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Re: Looking for a printer

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Yeah I did mean 55 sorry....

I got a quote for litho but it wsa close to 500CHF and too expensive for the client, the job would definitely look better litho (I hate digital!!) plus the job has a lot of orange in it and as you know reproducing orange in CMYK is a nightmare...

Anyway think we'll end up going digital as its cheap and cheerful and quick!

My UK printer has quoted 200 Bus cards and 100 4pp folded appointment cards matt laminated for £90 + delivery... (these prices are for digital) trouble is how much extra would I need to add on top for customs...?

As I have used them for years its just a bit of a comfort zone to use them here as the lanuage is a struggle but I think i'll try and fugure that site out you've suggested and use them instead

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Re: Looking for a printer

Hi Nicky,

I answered your customs question in the previous post, you (or the receiver) pays 10 francs plus CH VAT (which as you know is 7.6%). It's not huge, but the hassle factor is higher.

The hardest part you have to do is register online at that site - for this you probably want a german speaker to help you through it. Once it's done you just have to log on and upload your file. You can then track the job online.

Do you have someone who can understand German who can help you get a login to the site? If not and you want to email me your PDF and credit card and address I'll run it via my account and have them ship directly to you. Of course doing it yourself online would be easier!

Orange - ouch. Is that part of the corporate identity? The last time I did a logo I used a very useful "spot" - 100% process cyan - I'll never have any dramas with that Not sure which orange you are trying to hit, but their screen is 200lpi, depending on the amount of each ink it might not look too bad. Do you have a process colour manual? Might help to avoid some of the guess work? But gee - orange is a real bitch
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Re: Looking for a printer

Hi Mark

I don't have anyone available who understand german unfortunately!

I am needing:

200 double sided Business cards - 85mm x 55mm

100 4pp folded appointment cards - flat size 85mm x 110mm supplied creased and folded

200 4pp DL folded leaflet - flat size 198mm x 210mm - supplied creased and folded

are you able to work out form the site how much this would be for me so I can decide if it would be worth it? otherwise i'll get my UK printer to do them and pay the Tax if needs be

Thanks for you help on this, also can't find your address on your profile to send you the fonts disk. Also have you discovered www.istockphoto.com? handy RF pics site for designers - its a bit dubious on royalties and how you can use the images but for small jobs its been a god send for me.

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Re: Looking for a printer

Hi Nicky,

It doesn't take much to work out the price of the business cards - I already sent you that link, click on it and look for the number in bold - that's the price - also "Preise" is price, but you probably worked that out already. Besides - I already said - CHF100.

The folded cards are CHF300 (I guess they take up twice the space and have to go into a folding machine). Minimum quantity is 250.
http://www.maxiprint.ch/product_info..._id=1705530441

I'm not sure about the size of your flyer - but they do A4 folded to A5 for approx CHF300 for 1,000.
http://www.maxiprint.ch/product_info..._id=1705530461

Bear in mind that each of these products have different delivery dates - see the website for the delivery dates (again, you don't need to know German, you just have to examine the page for date)

You have to remember that the quantities you are asking for are way too small for offset printing! I think it is pretty impressive that they do such a small number of business cards, but you can't expect quantities of 100 for offset - you'd have to go digital.

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Re: Looking for a printer

Hi Mark

Thanks for that

Think the prices are too high, will be cheaper to pay the import tax from the UK.

Yeah I know the quantities are low, have discussed this with my client, also know that the more you print the cheaper the unit becomes, been in the industry long enough to know all this, but with digital printing this has all changed and you can have as little as 1 printed these days, litho is different, you can still get a short run printed but it will never be cost effective, but as we are going digital the print runs aren't a problem



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I don't think it is fair to say that those prices are too high. It would be fairer to say "litho is totally the wrong idea for this job and will be too expensive". As far as litho prices go, I think those are extremely good prices.

In your original message you said you preferred litho, but pointed out that the quote you had from the UK was for a digital job.

If I were in your position I would try and find a place in Switzerland to do digital, I'm sure the costs (if you look at a few places) will cheaper. I would suggest google.ch "digital druck". Again, you don't need a knowledge of German to look for what you want - you only need to know a few words, druck (print), visitenkarte (business card). Words like flyer, digital are the same. Dates are dates, prices are prices since it is all numbers. If you need a couple of other words you can try a dictionary (I use www.leo.org) or you can always use various translation tools on the web to translate entire web pages (google does this as well).

By the way - how long have you been living in CH?
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Re: Looking for a printer

Just wanted to say that I recently did pretty much the same type of job for someone on this forum. This is what I did:

I put a section on the back of business card for appointments. This removed the need to go for the folded card kind of approach.

For the folded flyers I used a colour laser printer, and just folded them. Since the quantity is low and it only costs CHF0.20 per page the price just can't be beaten. Sure - it's not on really fancy paper, but at the end of the day the client can take 50 of them and come back for more anytime. The client can also fold it themselves without too much effort.

I presume this is for a startup business / concept that wants to save every penny, in which case they might want to ask themselves what they really need... Your original quote from the UK didn't include the flyers, so I guess once you add that on the cost will get much higher!
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Re: Looking for a printer

Hi

Only lived here 5 months, hence the lack of language knowledge.

I much prefer litho, unfortunately my client and many clients prefer digital prices these days and I know that those prices will be too high for them therefore will have to stick to the digital route which is a shame as the job will look so much nicer in litho - also I apologise i had assumed that company was a digital printers at first.

I have contacted a digital printer here and their prices were way to high even considering that CH is more expensive than the UK. My main concern is using a printers that I have no knowledge of and not being able to communicate with them on my preferences, at the moment as I haven't been here long and haven't had any German lessons yet (there is a valid reason why I haven't had lessons yet but wont go into it here) but I don't want to be judged on the fact that i have been here for 5 months and haven't any language skills.

Anyway thanks for all your help its much appreciated and I will let you know what the outcome is and where i eventually get it printed

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Yeah its for a startup business but I know they want better quality than laser, I did suggest to them that they buy a colour laser printer for around 800CHF that did duplex and it will save a lot in the long run but its not an option they wanted to do.

Also considered the appointment card on the reverse of the cards but the reverse of the cards is a) is too small for the amoint of appointment spaces needed and b) it already has other info on the reverse about the company.

Yeah the price was only for bus cards and appointment cards, I estimate another £100 - £150 for the leaflets so £250 total (worried this may even be too much) its hard when you do a job but then have to get it printed so cheaply but thats the design world unfortunately!!

Hopefully when I am more confident with the language things will get easier....... luckily I still have clients in the UK and don't have issues like this often

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Hi Nicky,

I wasn't expecting you to be fluent, just to try a few words to get the job done that you needed to do. It doesn't get any easier unless you try

The thing about an industry like this, especially in Switzerland is that there is a HUGE difference in price. Many big companies are comfortable doing their print jobs with a printing company they have always used, and often get ripped off. As technology changes those companies that invest in the new stuff are often able to offer lower prices.

Also, the lower priced places tend to do a significant amount of their business online - hence using google (rather than yellow pages or some other way) is most likely to find the ones you want. Adding a word like "gŁnstig" (inexpensive) onto your search term might help as well.

Regarding communicating with your printer - also not really needed when dealing with the more "online" printers. As long as you know how to produce a PDF properly all you have to do is send it to them and then wait by your postbox. If it's a simple job with a standard product, and you've been in the game long enough to know how to avoid the simple pre-press issues then there's really no need to communicate. I just went through the communicating think once with maxiprint to make sure that they weren't idiots, after that it's all been online.

Forgot to answer your question about stock photos - yes, I use several sites, but my favourite is dreamstime.com. There's no question about royality free. I'm happy that the stock image market is booming so much. I'm even considering selling some of my better images there...

One other resource that might be helpful - Scott (member of this forum) does large format printing and photography, I've used him for jobs in the past and have been very happy. His websites are in German, but if you need his services he'd be happy to explain it in English to you. He would probably know a good digital printer - but he's on holiday for two weeks Bear him in mind for future though. Check the memberlist for his profile.
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I bought one for 400 francs. Ok - it doesn't do duplex, but I'm perfectly capable of putting the paper back into the tray a second time . Actually I think the quality is pretty awesome, I doubt anyone could tell the difference to something sent for digital printing. The only downside is that you are more restricted on the paper stock, but for many people this isn't an issue and the price is hard to beat.

Actually for a start up business it would make HUGE sense as they can use it for all sorts of stuff. But I know what it's like with some people - you can explain logic and common sense until you are blue in the face

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Also considered the appointment card on the reverse of the cards but the reverse of the cards is a) is too small for the amoint of appointment spaces needed and b) it already has other info on the reverse about the company.
Fair enough, if they have loads of appointments to write then it might not work. In my case I just needed "next appointment" and I used about half of the back to do it.

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Yeah the price was only for bus cards and appointment cards, I estimate another £100 - £150 for the leaflets so £250 total (worried this may even be too much) its hard when you do a job but then have to get it printed so cheaply but thats the design world unfortunately!!
Ummm, correct me if I'm wrong but I calculate that to be just under 700 francs right? That would mean that you are about to pay the same for a smaller run digital job in the UK as you would for a larger run litho job at maxiprint? If you add up the prices I gave you above you'll see it came to around 700. But that's for 1,000 flyers, and 250 of each card (like I said before, I actually got 400).
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[/QUOTE]Ummm, correct me if I'm wrong but I calculate that to be just under 700 francs right? That would mean that you are about to pay the same for a smaller run digital job in the UK as you would for a larger run litho job at maxiprint? If you add up the prices I gave you above you'll see it came to around 700. But that's for 1,000 flyers, and 250 of each card (like I said before, I actually got 400).[/QUOTE]

Ah right, sorry i am rubbish at figuring out prices etc... I'll have another look, but the leaflet needs to be DL portrait 4pp and the Appointment card opens like a tent card not like the one you sent over, if i phoned them do you think anyone would be able to talk to me In English? I'll try anyway

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I'm not sure about some of your terminology, but I would suggest first that you figure out what their standard products are (they usually have little diagrams so you can figure it out) and try to adapt your work to their sizes. This will be cheaper than adapting their sizes to your work

They may well speak English, you'd have to try. The are located in Zug, and I think there are a load of English speaking businesses in Zug. Mind you, the graphics world here tends to be done by natives, not foreigners. There were very friendly when I spoke to them. But do take time to try and figure out their products before you call - it will save you a lot of time.
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Yeah I am just looking now and it doesn't look like they do anything as a DL which is a DL envelope size (normal business envelope) 99mm x 210mm, you'll see many leaflets which are 6pp DL which is basically a piece of A4 paper roll folded 3 times which makes a 6pp DL leaflet, its a good size as most people have DL envelopes.

Shame they don't do spot printing, I have had a quote from a local printers for the business cards printed spot and they quoted:

200 Ex. Fr. 490.--
300 Ex. Fr. 520.--
400 Ex. Fr. 550.--
500 Ex. Fr. 580.--

Not bad prices but client can't afford that much so reluctantly have to go digital or like you say change my artwork to fit the templates used at maxiprint - grrrrr frustrating

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Umm, not sure if I've heard of DL. Might just be that I'm ignorant, but haven't seen it on other online printing places here. You could also look at www.flyerking.ch, but I had bad experience with these guys, though they did have more types of paper.

I just called maxiprint and asked them if they speak English - they said all of their staff speak English and it's no problem if you phone them up. 0444 400 400.

Looks like you are in luck, well about the language part anyway :-)
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