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Re: Can I work in Geneva and live in France?

Hi minimia

She will be working in Switzerland that's the whole issue, we want to live just over the border in France.
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Re: Can I work in Geneva and live in France?

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She will be working in Switzerland, but we want to live in France, that's the issue
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MiniMia

She will be working in Switzerland, but we want to live in France, that's the issue
VERY keen to know how you get on with this.

I've been in CH for a couple months now - a US citizen, permanent British resident, and married to a British national.

Initially I was told by my employer that it would be no problem for me getting a resident permit - because my wife's British. They later came back and said that actually, since it is ME working and not her, that they need to jump through the hoops and get me the standard, non-EU L permit, prove that nobody else is available in CH or Europe to do my job, etc., etc.

Which all went through fine, however.. if I can get an EU permit - particularly the cross-border one, it makes life much easier...
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Re: Can I work in Geneva and live in France?

Hello,

Thank you all very much for the replies posted to my husband's questions regarding my work permit.
I do have another one though as i want to take the legal path on working in Geneva and living in France.
I am still waiting for my work permit. The HR department could not confirm if it’s a B or an L, so i am not able to tell you anything about that now. But as far as i understand from your posts, even if i applied on a Romanian passport, i should get an EU B permit as my husband is British. I also understand from your posts that I could have got a G permit in a first place on my husband’s passport.
The lawyers stated what DDILLAND confirmes in his post: I am the ONE working therefore MY passport takes precedence.

I finally got my British passport and I already found a house in France which I wanted to reserve. I called HR to confirm that there was no issue with my work permit (it seems to take ages, i have applied more than 2 months ago) and to tell them the news.
They were slightly concerned, (but didn’t know the law and remained to confirm with the lawyers), that i might not be able to change my B/L permit straightaway into a G one, on my British passport.
I am going to live in Geneva in the first month and i thought that it would be enough time to change the permit. I do understand that in this case i will have to apply and pay for it myself, which i don’t mind.

Could please anyone advise?
I have searched for a similar thread on this forum, but i wasn’t able to find one.
On the other hand, does anybody know about a case of changing the application for a different type of permit due to a change in the nationality status, while the first one is still pending?
I would be very grateful if anybody could help.
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Old 04.08.2007, 18:58
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Hi minimia

She will be working in Switzerland that's the whole issue, we want to live just over the border in France.
Sorry, that was a mistake... I meant, if you think she might get the ax from her job than you should LIVE in Switzerland. The unemployment benefits are much more interesting than in France.
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Old 04.08.2007, 19:13
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Sorry, that was a mistake... I meant, if you think she might get the ax from her job than you should LIVE in Switzerland. The unemployment benefits are much more interesting than in France.
Hi miniMia,

Do you know the difference between the unemployment benefits in France and the ones in Switzerland?
I have a colleague who also lives in France. He worked previously in another company in Geneva and he lost his job. He told me that he was pretty happy with the benefits that he got in France, as he had to file the unemployment form on the base of his earnings in Geneva, which were high (banking sector).

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Re: Can I work in Geneva and live in France?

From what I remember (I'm sure someone else will correct me) but your get in Fracne you get 50% of your salary for 9 months with the rate decreasing over time. In switzerland you get 75% (up to 8900Frs.) for 18 months within a 24 month period.

Now, do you get Swiss unemployement or French unemployment... I have my doubts..... can anyone else confirm?

Anyway, hopefully you'll never need to know!
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Re: Can I work in Geneva and live in France?

[quote=miniMia;89524]From what I remember (I'm sure someone else will correct me) but your get in Fracne you get 50% of your salary for 9 months with the rate decreasing over time. In switzerland you get 75% (up to 8900Frs.) for 18 months within a 24 month period.

Thanks minimia,

I hope i never have to find out all these percentages. But its always good to have an idea.
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Re: Can I work in Geneva and live in France?

Thanks minimia,

I hope i never have to find out all these percentages. But its always good to have an idea.[/quote]


Ups, i meant 'to live on these percentages'.
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VERY keen to know how you get on with this.

I've been in CH for a couple months now - a US citizen, permanent British resident, and married to a British national.

Initially I was told by my employer that it would be no problem for me getting a resident permit - because my wife's British. They later came back and said that actually, since it is ME working and not her, that they need to jump through the hoops and get me the standard, non-EU L permit, prove that nobody else is available in CH or Europe to do my job, etc., etc.

Which all went through fine, however.. if I can get an EU permit - particularly the cross-border one, it makes life much easier...
Just as a question can you let us know what it says in your passport. Is it not something like L EU/NAFTA.

I know many people in your circumstance and I know what the law states on this. All the people I know who are non-EU and are the sole workers have an EU permit if they were married at the time of the permit issue and if they were not, get one when they marry an EU citizen. Not only is this written in law but it also makes sense. As an EU citizen you have mobility within Switzerland full mobility. As a non-EU citizen you do not. This could easily lead to conflict when the EU citizen decided to rent or buy an apartment in another canton. The non-EU would not be able to follow without application, which could be rejected, and that would then be against the UN convention on human rights which of course Swiss Law is subservient to.
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They were slightly concerned, (but didn’t know the law and remained to confirm with the lawyers), that i might not be able to change my B/L permit straightaway into a G one, on my British passport.
I am going to live in Geneva in the first month and i thought that it would be enough time to change the permit. I do understand that in this case i will have to apply and pay for it myself, which i don’t mind.

Could please anyone advise?
I have searched for a similar thread on this forum, but i wasn’t able to find one.
On the other hand, does anybody know about a case of changing the application for a different type of permit due to a change in the nationality status, while the first one is still pending?
I would be very grateful if anybody could help.
You can change your permit very easily into a G permit on application to the BFM. Alternatively you can apply directly using the attached form. An application as a foreign citizen non-EU is a long winded process and can last a few weeks - 2 and 3 months are not unusual for this. An application as an EU citizen is immediate... I would suggest cancelling the old application and applying as an EU national...
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You can change your permit very easily into a G permit on application to the BFM. Alternatively you can apply directly using the attached form. An application as a foreign citizen non-EU is a long winded process and can last a few weeks - 2 and 3 months are not unusual for this. An application as an EU citizen is immediate... I would suggest cancelling the old application and applying as an EU national...
Thanks Richard!

I got in touch with the lawyers today. I can start working straightaway in Switzerland, based on my British passport, no need to wait for a residence/work permit.
They were a bit reluctant towards changing my application from a non-EU to an EU one, i dont understand why. As soon as i get there, i will apply for the G permit and according to the lawyers i should get it approved in no time. I guess they are too lazy and want me to do it, instead of them re-applying on my behalf.
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Just as a question can you let us know what it says in your passport. Is it not something like L EU/NAFTA.

I know many people in your circumstance and I know what the law states on this. All the people I know who are non-EU and are the sole workers have an EU permit if they were married at the time of the permit issue and if they were not, get one when they marry an EU citizen. Not only is this written in law but it also makes sense. As an EU citizen you have mobility within Switzerland full mobility. As a non-EU citizen you do not. This could easily lead to conflict when the EU citizen decided to rent or buy an apartment in another canton. The non-EU would not be able to follow without application, which could be rejected, and that would then be against the UN convention on human rights which of course Swiss Law is subservient to.
Thanks for your reply. I assume you mean to ask what it says in my residence permit - not my passport?

I am still waiting for the permit actually - its approaching 3 months now. I have some kind of assurance of a resident permit document - don't ask me what it says as I don't read German.
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Hi

I'm George McGeachie, and I start work in Geneva in a few weeks time. We were hoping to take our time finding schools and deciding where to live, but I've just found out that we have to decide ASAP, so we can obtain the right kind of permit.

The big question is, should we live in Switzerland or France? We're all EU citizens, so either is viable. We've only just started looking at rentals and schools; renting in Geneva looks VERY expensive.

Our children are 8 and 12, and speak some French (but not much). If we live in France, can our children go to Swiss private schools? Are there private schools in nearby parts of France?

Thanks for any help you can give us.
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The big question is, should we live in Switzerland or France? We're all EU citizens, so either is viable. We've only just started looking at rentals and schools; renting in Geneva looks VERY expensive.
Renting in France is less xpensive however you'll lose hours everyday commuting to and fro.

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If you can afford the fees, yes, they can.

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Thanks for any help you can give us.
I haven't heard of any, but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Of course, the question would be - why fixate on a private school?
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Re: Should we live in Geneva or France?

I have several friends who live in France and commute into Geneva for work. It's much cheaper to live, even with the exchange rate. Their children also attend the local schools there with no problem. They learn French, no big deal. People underestimate children's ability to learn foreign languages. Minds like sponges! (after 2 weeks in Spain a 5yr old I know was having converstions in Spanish that it took me 6 months to learn!)

So yes, IMHO you will have better luck finding a place and all that you need done so quickly. And just in Ferney there is a HUGE expat community.

Oh, and you may be able to negotiate to get paid in Euros. I know some people that were able to.
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...The big question is, should we live in Switzerland or France? We're all EU citizens, so either is viable. We've only just started looking at rentals and schools; renting in Geneva looks VERY expensive.

Our children are 8 and 12, and speak some French (but not much). If we live in France, can our children go to Swiss private schools? Are there private schools in nearby parts of France?

Thanks for any help you can give us.
It is entirely up to you, you can live in either. There are some issues that you want to consider: the rent may be lower, but as Shorrick said, commuting takes time and there are very few places in France that have convenient public transportation links with Geneva, in which case the rents there are also almost as high as in Switzerland.

You can choose any private school you want regardless of where you live, so if you are uncomfortable about the French public school system (which I understand is very good academically), you can choose from one of many schools in Geneva that offer education in English.

In my opinion, it depends a lot on what you like. Neighbouring France, especially Ferney and Annemasse, are convenient but not as charming as you would imagine a French village to be. Check both sides of the border when you arrive and then decide.
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I have several friends who live in France and commute into Geneva for work. It's much cheaper to live, even with the exchange rate. Their children also attend the local schools there with no problem. They learn French, no big deal. People underestimate children's ability to learn foreign languages. Minds like sponges! (after 2 weeks in Spain a 5yr old I know was having converstions in Spanish that it took me 6 months to learn!)

So yes, IMHO you will have better luck finding a place and all that you need done so quickly. And just in Ferney there is a HUGE expat community.

Oh, and you may be able to negotiate to get paid in Euros. I know some people that were able to.
I agree, you can live in Ferney or any of the neighbouring french towns which is very close to Geneva. Standard of living is good and you can easily cross to Geneva for work. Many of the expats who work for the International agencies do that. Schools are also good.
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Re: Can I work in Geneva and live in France?

Thank you to everyone who has responded to my plea! I've got just one rider to my original question - would anyone recommend living as far into France as Thonon or Evian?
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Re: Can I work in Geneva and live in France?

I regularly have to drive from Thonon to Geneva it is more or less a single track road with limited space for overtaking so the commute could take a while, not sure there is much in the way of public transport - other EF's may know.

I think there is a boat from Evian - Geneva not sure how long it takes or if it operates all year, and as for driving from Evian they have just opened a bypass round Thonon which does save some time. If you live in Thonon or Evian you will be less than an hour from the snow in winter.
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