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Re: Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

I suppose airing your ignorance and intolerance of other cultures is one step towards getting them sorted out.

I think fasting is great exercise for self-control and focusing the mind. I'm sure it would be more effective if done voluntarily than compulsory.

So what are traditional meals eaten after sunset? More to the point, where are some of the best ramadan meals in Zurich?
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Old 21.08.2009, 13:58
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Re: Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

In Malaysia, during Ramadan, Muslims eat a large meal ( zohor ) just before dawn. At dusk, tradition in Malaysia has been by breaking of fast with dates and water, prior to a meal later.

Normally, they head off to a restaurant or hotel.

Not quite sure how it is here in Switzerland ( this will be my 2nd Ramadan season here ) but here's an article that suggests it might be the same.


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Old 21.08.2009, 14:10
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An ALMIGHTY God, The Creator... call it Allah, Jehovah, Ram, Boj (or by any other name) is not PETTY enough to expect anything from meagre Humans, who are no better than Animals in their crude form.

What is "expected" of Humans is merely for their own benefit and well being, You dont see Angels coming down to enfore the Divine Law ?!!

Though in some countries, there can be State Reinforcement... probably in Divine Franchise Business
I am not religious but I like your attitude towards the whole thing!
Oh and about the Saudia Arabia warning:
http://business.maktoob.com/20090000...il/Article.htm

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Just a little question here, if I go on vacation to a Muslim country will I still be able to eat food in the daytime as tourist?
In Iran If you are infirm ( old or sick) or too young- I'm not sure of the age, I imagine form 12 up then you don't have to fast. If you are not Muslim then you don't have to fast. In general it is considered bad manners to eat in the street, parks and picnics are different. However, you just won't find much available, during daylight hours. After sunset you will find PLENTY, many people actually out weight on; although that of course is not what fasting is intended for! I intend to lose weight!
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What personal meaning has Ramadan for those who do follow it? Is it more a self-reflecting time on yourself, family or society? Or a dialogue with God? Does one share those moments with closed-ones or is it something everyone experiences on a personal level?
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Re: Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

And if you live above arctic circle when Ramadhan coincides with summer, you have to suck plenty of food in matter of minutes before dusk
In winther even a 1 year old kid can fast there!
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I am not religious but I like your attitude towards the whole thing!
And my own community would probably want to stone me...
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What personal meaning has Ramadan for those who do follow it? Is it more a self-reflecting time on yourself, family or society? Or a dialogue with God? Does one share those moments with closed-ones or is it something everyone experiences on a personal level?
Dialogue with God is a daily thing, thats what the Arabic term for Prayers "Salat" means... "Communication"

Different people have different takes on it... some purely do it for Dieting purposes while earn some "Divine Reward" points at the sametime

Its not really a big deal as many Muslims try to make it... all you really do is give up your afternoon meal (lunch) and the random impulsive snacking and nibbling... and have your breakfast a bit earlier than usual and the evening meal can be at usual time.

The Essence is to Reflect on yourself and your day to day life/actions.
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The Essence is to Reflect on yourself and your day to day life/actions.
Much needed in this crazy world.

Are there Judaic parallels to Ramadan?
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Much needed in this crazy world.

Are there Judaic parallels to Ramadan?
Yes there are parallels in Judiac, Christian and even in Hindu, Sikh and Buddhist religion... (Judiac, Christian and Muslim Religion have same origin hence the differentiation, not descrimination), if you go by their Scriptures, just that other Religions followers are not as observient, maybe.

Infact most things in Islam and Shariah have parallels in Judiasm aand Christianity and many Islamic Laws are Derived from Torah.
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Re: Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

As for restaurants and shops being closed.. its purely for Financial reasons, as there is no business... nobodys eating out during the daytime.

If you go there after sunset, same restaurants will be busier than ever.. Im sure there are shops where you can find babyfood, milk and medicines for the old and the infirm!!

Police just use it as an excuse to extract some Bribes form the shopkeepers and the State... well its any governments Wet Dream to have Total Authoratarian Control over the populace.. and what better pretext than Religion!

Religion does NOT Enforce anything.. only "Suggests" and "Advices" after that everyone has been given (limited) Freewill to act.
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Re: Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

If the shops are closed, where Muslims in their own countries buy groceries etc to prepare for the evening meal or for the meal at the break of fast?

Im sure they ALL dont dash out as soon as the sunsets, do their shopping, come back, cook and eat.. in matter of seconds??!!

Let me assure you there's ABSOLUTELY NO HARM in Thinking and Analysing or using Common Sense...
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Old 21.08.2009, 15:29
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Paging Mr. Pashosh .....
lots of parallels exist:
Fasting in Hebrew is "Tzom" - in Arabic "Sawm".
Giving alms (charity) is "TZdaka" - in Arabic "Zakat"


There is no month long fast in Judaism: The holiest day in the Jewish calendar is "Yom Kippur" - when most Jews fast (and the rest ride their bikes because nobody drives)
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Re: Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

Though I'm not Muslim, one thing that I find almost enviable is the sense of community during Ramadan - together, people fast for their physical health, to cleanse their thoughts, to remember the hardships others have endured. Seeing the mosques fill up more and more each night as the month of Ramadan and listening to the prayers chanted in the early morning.
Ramadan kareem to those who are fasting.
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Old 21.08.2009, 23:08
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Re: Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

Out of respect for the Muslim faith (or any faith for that matter), do not post any further off-topic discussions about religion in this thread. I have moved the posts which are off the topic of celebraing Ramadan to their own thread. Post your thoughts there (about any and all religions and practices), but this thread is not for that.
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Out of respect for the Muslim faith (or any faith for that matter), do not post any further off-topic discussions about religion in this thread. I have moved the posts which are off the topic of celebraing Ramadan to their own thread. Post your thoughts there (about any and all religions and practices), but this thread is not for that.
Do I see political correctness rearing its ugly head here. There are a number of other faith threads that showed no respect whatsoever for those faiths:

Praying man let his daughter die
Scientology revealed
Atheist bus campaign in CH
No God Bail Out on Environment
30 per cent of the Swiss reject evolution
etc. etc.

Now we suddenly have to be serious about the Muslim faith??
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Now we suddenly have to be serious about the Muslim faith??
Believe me, I understand what you are saying here. But it's a start. Seeds of respect reaps respect.

Evilshell, I expect the same level of respect for other faiths from here on.
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