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Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

On Friday 21st of August, 2009 Muslims in Switzerland begin their 30 day dawn to sunset fasting ( Sawm - which is one of the 5 pillars of Islam ) until Saturday 19th September 2009 [Source] after which Aidil Fitri is celebrated.

In Malaysia, on the 27th day of fasting, during a night called Malam Tujuh Likur, many Muslims light up lanterns or oil lamps in front of their homes. A mandatory alms giving must be performed before the end of Ramadan and the celebration of Aidil Fitri. Muslims start the day by congregating in the mosques early in the morning to perform Hari Raya prayers followed by visits to the graves of the departed.




I would like to wish all Muslim members and visitors of this forum a very happy kickoff to your fasting month.






More on Sawm al-Ramadan - BBC link & Wikipedia reference-linkSawm_of_Ramadan

Azan software and customised prayer times ( www.islam.ch )

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Re: Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

Ramadan Kareem to all.

Thanks for letting us know your custom. Just for the information of everybody i want to add here that the custom of burning oil lamps, visiting the graves are local customs related to Ramadan/Sawm (fasting month) and not a mandatory ritual of a Muslim. Many people worldwide have different local customs related to fasting :-)
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Old 20.08.2009, 11:24
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Just a little question here, if I go on vacation to a Muslim country will I still be able to eat food in the daytime as tourist?
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Old 20.08.2009, 11:27
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Re: Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

Marhaban Yaa Ramadhan

Thanks for the greet,

In this occasion as well, I would like to say "Forgive my physical and emotional wrongdoings" (translated from Bahasa Indonesia"maaf lahir & batin" or "Minal aidin walfaizin" ) before starting the Holly month of Ramadan.

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Re: Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

Thanks a lot Irspet For Your very meaningful valueable and Worthy Greetings for the Ramadan,
Give Respekt and Take Respekt it is good Example,somany People in the world should learn from You.
Greeting is a small word but behind the word hidden somany worth.
thanks again.This is sign of peace for all over the world independ of religion.
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Just a little question here, if I go on vacation to a Muslim country will I still be able to eat food in the daytime as tourist?
Well yes, you would be able to...but usually local resturants etc are closed during the day for ramadan. And people give you stares if caught eating in public because majority is fasting...Restaurants in big hotels are open so foreigners or people not fasting usually go there for lunch or eat in home, or in hotel rooms...not in public just to show respect for ramadam...

But ofcourse you are not expected to fast because you are in a Muslim country...
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Just a little question here, if I go on vacation to a Muslim country will I still be able to eat food in the daytime as tourist?

NOP,

I would stay away from muslim copuntries during Ramadan. In some countries you would even go to jail if you eat or drink in public during the day. (Iran, Saudi Arabia) for example.
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I would stay away from muslim copuntries during Ramadan. In some countries you would even go to jail if you eat or drink in public during the day. (Iran, Soudi Arabia) for example.
I am think of going to Dubai in between the 7th-13th September will the same rules apply there?
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I am think of going to Dubai in between the 7th-13th September will the same rules apply there?

Some Islamic countries are more moderate (UAE is one of them) but you will still be limited.
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I would stay away from muslim copuntries during Ramadan. In some countries you would even go to jail if you eat or drink in public during the day. (Iran, Saudi Arabia) for example.
Not in Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei etc. - you are allowed as a non-Muslim ( be it resident or foreigner ) to do as you please even during religious periods.
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Ramadan Kareem to all.

Thanks for letting us know your custom. Just for the information of everybody i want to add here that the custom of burning oil lamps, visiting the graves are local customs related to Ramadan/Sawm (fasting month) and not a mandatory ritual of a Muslim. Many people worldwide have different local customs related to fasting :-)
That is true - the 7 nights thing is perhaps unique to Malaysia - a cultural thing, not necessarily religious. Thank you for highlighting.
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Re: Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

I am agree with Irspet,event strikt arabic Countries event Tolarate with non muslims,dont forget, Somany Europiens are Working,in Saudi, Kuwait,Dubai all over Arabic countries.in dubai 100%prozent hotel managments are running by swiss and Germanies.
Event in Switzerland world Class fivestar Hotels are arranging Breakfast for muslims,
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Ramadan Karim !

I believe it was an egyptian comedian who said that Ramdan is the only fast where get fat after fasting ...

Looking forward to delicious Iftar meals.
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Well yes, you would be able to...but usually local resturants etc are closed during the day for ramadan. And people give you stares if caught eating in public because majority is fasting...Restaurants in big hotels are open so foreigners or people not fasting usually go there for lunch or eat in home, or in hotel rooms...not in public just to show respect for ramadam...

But ofcourse you are not expected to fast because you are in a Muslim country...

It depend which country you go. In Turkey, Restaurants still open, and you can eat without any problem. But just keep in mind to not eat in the street. It is matter of respect.

A muslim country can be very different of an other muslim country. You can not expect culture and tradition to be the same.

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jrspet,

Though I am not muslim, I appreciate that you opened this thread. Definitely a step up in the quality of content on this forum, and a real reflection of the diversity of the EF community. Most of all, its great to see such discussion on EF devoid of the usual trash-talking trolls. I take this as a positive step.

I'd be glad to learn more about Ramadan.

Good work. Bless you!
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I am think of going to Dubai in between the 7th-13th September will the same rules apply there?
Places like hotels, ... having mostly foreigners are open to eat,... but in other parts , you need to wait for the dusk.
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Re: Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

I'm not Muslim but I miss sharing the evening meal with my Muslim friends and colleagues in Kuala Lumpur. We would get our food ready in front of us in a coffeeshop, await the signal from the TV set up near the ceiling, say "Selamat berbuka (puasa)!" (happy breaking of fast) and dig in.

During the fasting month there are many, many stalls lined up on roadsides with all kinds of colourful cakes and savoury goodies to buy and take home (or back to the office if we're working late). There would be, for a nice change, no jams on the roads between 6pm and 7pm as Muslims are preparing to break fast at home or at a stall, coffeeshop or restaurant.

On the morning of Ramadan, the youngsters would kiss the hands of their elders and ask for forgiveness.


A meaningful, joyful and peaceful Ramadan to all Muslims on the forum.
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I was in Dubai last year during Ramadan and there a lots of places open during the day to eat. They are curtained or screened off from the general population though. You will find places open to eat in the big shopping malls.

As mentioned in another post, all the major hotels have restaurants open in the day as well.
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Ramadan Karim !

I believe it was an egyptian comedian who said that Ramdan is the only fast where get fat after fasting ...

Looking forward to delicious Iftar meals.
Statistics has shown increase in amount of consumption of food during fasting month! Even price rises in some countries. Also amount of hospitalization incresaes due to sudden eat, deyderation, diabets (too much sweet in the night), not taking pills in proper time,...
So in the end this is not following the purpose which originally has been set for, like eating less, thinking about poors,...
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Re: Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

When exactly is ramadan starting here in Switzerland. Is it on Saturday?
I have checked 2 websites oen say saturday other sunday.
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