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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

I knew next to nothing of Switzerland when I moved. I simply got a job offer (was living in Denmark at the time) and thought the job interesting, and the potential rewards good (nothing came off it (bubble burst)).

The country is very beautiful, standard of living is high, and the Swiss I find very relaxed, polite and down to earth people. I had zero problems with permits, insurance, flat, car, school for kids etc.

What I miss from Iceland is the drive people there have, nothing is impossible, and from Denmark I miss the pubs
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...and many feel trapped here by their high salary, and perceived standard of living while they remain miserable and lonely. Read "The Alchemist".

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Well I haven't read the Alchemist but I certainly know the point you are getting at.

When you've lived a while in Switzerland you also tend to take on the 'fear of change' thing that's in the psyche as well as that notion that somehow Switzerland enjoys some sort of stellar status above other countries. It makes it quite hard to make the leap. Especially since actually decoupling yourself from the place is so difficult what with getting out of contractual obligations and such.


However, it's well worth making the move if you're getting disillusioned. Much as I loved the outdoors and particularly, skiing, I like being in a place where the rules are more lax and other people are more sociable.

And you suddenly find that other places aren't as bad in terms of crime, standard of living etc as you had imagined.
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

Good point, a lot of Swiss do believe in that "Sonderfall" stuff and seem to think the sun does shine out of Mother Helvetia backpassage, this turns them into fearful little creatures. I would expand a bit on this though and included most wealthy countries like Norway, Denmark and a few others too. When you are confortable, you don't want to risk it.

Before I moved to the UK, I had quite a few people asking me why I did that, an English colleague from Leeds gave me the starkest warning actually, as England in their mind was nothing but a land of rain, bad weather, bad food and the people were either bowler-hatted anal retentives or hooligans (media cliche, don't you love them... )

In the end, I survived and thrived and I'm quite glad I moved, at least it gave me the opportunity to learn about a new culture.

That sais there is also a strong current of critical appreciation of our country amongst Swiss and it's far from a small minority. It's not up to British standards of self-mockery but that whole "irony" thing the Brits like to think is unique to them was one of the easiest parts to assimilate for me, as it was very close to the mindset of the group of people I hung around.
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...and many feel trapped here by their high salary, and perceived standard of living while they remain miserable and lonely. Read "The Alchemist".

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I'm not trapped but I ain't quitting until I find a new job

There are so many that come here thinking it's some kind of Utopian Paradise and it's not. Unless you're a Virgo

I can't say how enjoyable it is to come home every evening with a backdrop of the Alps; to not have to worry about ASBOs and the like; to know that most respect what others have.
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for me it was a combination .. desire for new horizons (professionally), coupled with serious dissafection with the UK & a chance to experience a different country & culture. .
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

Hi,

I came here because it offered me the chance of learning another language and living in another culture. I have stayed because I find it easy to live here without a lot of the stress that I found the UK. I love that public transport works, you don't need a car, the health system functions and there are no long waiting lists, rents do not go up every 6 months, you can talk to the tax office if there are any problems....etc. There are tons of reasons why I intend to live here and I have not desire to return to the UK. There places I enjoy visiting but I could never live for example the USA. No gun control, only 2 weeks holiday and without a car you can't get anywhere.

Switzerland and especially Basel is a place I enjoy living, the only cloud I see is that so many jobs are moving to Zurich and I don't fancy the travel everyday and I would not want to live in Zurich.

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actually that is the negative way. everywhere else is so crap ? really ?

get real.
It all goes way over your head, doesn't it?
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Can anybody really explain what is so fascinating about switzerland that they are so desperate to come here to live, with so many restrictions for the foreigner about working here and obtaining accomodation,language problems, insurance problems etc,
All I seem to read here on this forum,is, the problems that they have, and yet they are still desperate to come here.
Because being average pays so good and it's so ing easy to be average
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

Is it,and are you sure?
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LOL ! Hence the inertia. Once entrenched here, people are aware that if they go back to a financial centre like London or NY, they may be forced to work for a living again and so stay here years longer than they intend...

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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

I usually explain life here as 'comfortable'.

And I guess this sums it all up. Life is well-ordered, if unchallenging. Everything works how and when it should without too many surprises. Add to this generous pay rates, low crime, some good old-fashioned ideas like making almost everything tax deductible, schools that educate children to greet strangers, public transports that's immaculate, punctual and reasonably priced and it's a pretty powerful package.

The final icing to the cake is a countryside to die for and I guess that's the magnetic attraction...
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I usually explain life here as 'comfortable'.

And I guess this sums it all up. Life is well-ordered, if unchallenging. Everything works how and when it should without too many surprises. Add to this generous pay rates, low crime, some good old-fashioned ideas like making almost everything tax deductible, schools that educate children to greet strangers, public transports that's immaculate, punctual and reasonably priced and it's a pretty powerful package.

The final icing to the cake is a countryside to die for and I guess that's the magnetic attraction...
Nice summary, you got it in one. In Australia it is not safe to let your children outside to play alone. In parts of Switzerland it probably still is.
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

because of the vast quantities of iron ores in the mountains
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No it the high level of conformity in Switzerland resulting in a huge level of electro-magnetic-comformity.

We should reduce our conformity-footprint before it is too late. Start by walking on cracks in the pavement, or crossing on a red man.

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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

wrong again ...i make sure that it goes way over...


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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

Debate time!

I don't intend to deny for a secon that in Switzerland, being confortably conformist is the better option to enjoy the place (although I'll strenuously argue that there is a fair minority of us who are creative, anti-conformists and open to new horizons including yours truly, obviously ) but isn't it the case for most rich countries?

I mean, the US "burbs" might be made to look sexy in TV series but in reality they make a small Swiss town look like an anarchist commune, the overiding ambition of a great big bunch of British is to buy a house as soon as possible, a car and consider the foreign food section at M&S as a fair representation of "exotic foods", Australians are a nice sort but they seem to have zero curiosity beyond enjoying a pint of lager and talking about sport. Italy and France are also very conformist places, Italy quite spectacularly so, just try to order a cappucino after 930am...


Entering the realm of anecdotal evidence, upon my first months in Manchester, when I went around with Geneva as a reference, something that struck me was a certain rigid adherence to fashion style, the only group of people more or less all dressed the same that I would have seen in my native city were army boys and I was amused by big bunch of blokes all dressed up in the same black shoes, black trousers and shirt, with the same haircut (and they were not squadies!) or group of girls in similar attire, haircuts. They really seemed to have gone shopping together. Nowadays, that impression has not changed that much. I recently attended a diner where you needed to dress up and I went there in a nice light colored ensemble, I ended up looking like an Italian footballer amongst 200 blokes dressed in black suits.

On a whole, in 2007, I find the English dress better, have a better fashion sense than the Swiss but in a way, they seem to have lost a bit what made the charm of the English to my Swiss-French eyes, that touch of excentricity we imagine them to have and which they probably had when money was scarce.

In my mind, at the risk of surprising English posters, I think there is a greater sense of conformity amongst your average Northern English than there is amongst your average Swiss-French (not sure about the German bit) when it comes to fashion and social mores, people seem concerned that you ought to make sure you don't make other people look bad by being a flash bastard (or now that Manchester has some money knocking around, everyone seems to want to be a flash bastard and dressing down is a sure sign of mental illness/foreigness).


My wife reckons it's because we are a bunch of shoulder-shrugging French types with a massive ego and no social graces, I tell her I'm glad I'm not some cap-doffing, pie eating prole and I don't defer to anybody
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

Come on, there is nothing better than a really greasy meat pie and a pint of warm watered down tetleys with a packet of cheese and onion crisps
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

In fact my missus is quite lower middle-class so I endlessly tease her about it and she does the same about my ruffian Genevan manners...Match made in heaven
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